Backpack Nukes.

[Cdnwolf]

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/05/04/the-u-s-had-backpack-nukes-that-would-be-carried-to-battlefields-during-the-cold-war-2/

[Matt Wiser]

Ah, yes. Davy Crockett. Nukes at battalion level.....lovely.

[Draq]

I still want Paul to stat these, just for shiggles.

[LBraden]

Ah, yes. Davy Crockett. Nukes at battalion level.....lovely.

Yeah, who's great idea was it to give a 2nd Lt command of a nuclear weapon, we all know how useless those guys are.

[dragoon500ly]

Yeah, who's great idea was it to give a 2nd Lt command of a nuclear weapon, we all know how useless those guys are.

Dear Gawd...a 2nd Lt. With a map, a radio AND a nuke!!!

This violates every Geneva and Hague Convention!!!

[Olefin]

there was at least one Challenge magazine article with a backpack nuke that was going to be used in Iran - so there is a precedent for them being in the game

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Yeah the Davy Crockett was a weird weapon. Nuclear authority given to 2nd lieutenants, but when they tried to implement a Permissive Action Link they found out that calling all the way up to the president when your target was a motor rifle company that was on the move, you kind of took away the weapon's biggest advantage (speed of use).

[swaghauler]

Nuclear Shells in Twilight2000

The W33 (8" configurable yield) AND W48 (6" 0.12kt Nominal Yield) were BOTH removed from service starting in 1991.

The W33s had seen 20 YEARS of frontline service since their last overhaul and were at the end of their service life. They were very versatile nukes with the four Standard Packages having Nominal Yields of 5kt, 10kt, 5kt (neutron), and 40kt. Their weight ranges of 126kg to 180kg (depending on model and package installed) make them cumbersome, though.

The W48 had a Nominal Yield so low that generation 1 Thermobaric devices were just as destructive WITHOUT the fallout. This caused them to be removed from service as well. This would be the best candidate for a backpack bomb with a weight of just 58kg.

These shells were fairly rare before the war and would be extremely rare in Twilight2000.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

With thermobaric weapons don't you have to create an ignition medium first though, e.g., spread a gas or slurry vapor I'm asking.

[swaghauler]

With thermobaric weapons don't you have to create an ignition medium first though, e.g., spread a gas or slurry vapor I'm asking.

The weapon itself contains the ignition medium. The first stage of detonation spreads the fuel and gets that magic ratio of 8% fuel to air mix. The second stage ignites it. The explosion can last for several tenths of a second (making the blast wave perceptible to the human eye) and causes burn damage as well as "overpressure blast" damage.

The Thermobaric's "cousin" the Hyperbaric Munition uses a different method. It spreads reactive metal like Aluminum Oxide, Cesium & Aluminum, Lithium, or Magnesium into the blast radius. The dust ignites almost instantaneously, causing a huge overpressure blast but extinguishing almost as fast. More BANG, less BURN.

If you want to see a fair representation of a Thermobaric Warhead explosion, just Youtube the movie Alex Cross for The Attack on City Hall. The hitman uses an RPG with a Thermobaric Warhead. It is done pretty well.

[LT. Ox]

Hey !!!

Yeah, who's great idea was it to give a 2nd Lt command of a nuclear weapon, we all know how useless those guys are.

I were one of dem guys.
Stop laughing I was honest.
Oh that is not why yer laughing.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I were one of dem guys.
Stop laughing I was honest.
Oh that is not why yer laughing.

"Not all who wander are lost. Except the 2nd Lieutenant. He is as lost as fuck. The 2nd Lieutenant is dying of hypothermia."

[raketenjagdpanzer]

The weapon itself contains the ignition medium. The first stage of detonation spreads the fuel and gets that magic ratio of 8% fuel to air mix. The second stage ignites it. The explosion can last for several tenths of a second (making the blast wave perceptible to the human eye) and causes burn damage as well as "overpressure blast" damage.

The Thermobaric's "cousin" the Hyperbaric Munition uses a different method. It spreads reactive metal like Aluminum Oxide, Cesium & Aluminum, Lithium, or Magnesium into the blast radius. The dust ignites almost instantaneously, causing a huge overpressure blast but extinguishing almost as fast. More BANG, less Burn.

If you want to see a fair representation of a Thermobaric Warhead explosion, just Youtube the movie Alex Cross for The Attack on City Hall. The hitman uses an RPG with a Thermobaric Warhead. It is done pretty well.

OK. I will check that out. I have only ever seen big, big battlefield Fuel-Air bomb footage, I didn't realize there were "little" FAE charges like RPG sized and even down to 40mm grenade sized. I did some digging; apparently the Marines have an SMAW warhead that can knock down a single-story building if you get it through the window, or at the very least kill everyone inside.

I wonder how you would model this in T2k V1.

[.45cultist]

there was at least one Challenge magazine article with a backpack nuke that was going to be used in Iran - so there is a precedent for them being in the game

I think it had some stats: yield, timer, and weight. It also had the micro generator stats and other tidbits.

[swaghauler]

OK. I will check that out. I have only ever seen big, big battlefield Fuel-Air bomb footage, I didn't realize there were "little" FAE charges like RPG sized and even down to 40mm grenade sized. I did some digging; apparently the Marines have an SMAW warhead that can knock down a single-story building if you get it through the window, or at the very least kill everyone inside.

I wonder how you would model this in T2k V1.

The Russians love their Thermobaric devices. Russia made more Thermobaric warheads for the RPG than they did FRAG warheads. Thermobarics have a strange burst pattern. They act like mini nukes in that they consume all of the oxygen in the primary burst radius. This effect means that the Thermobaric warhead HAS NO SECONDARY BLAST RADIUS. The primary blast is "checked" by the vacuum before it can expand further. This is also what extends the incendiary blast into tenths of a second in length. It needs both a Conventional Blast and an Incendiary Blast too. The RPG-7 Thermobaric has a burst radius of 8 meters in real life. The Conventional Blast is so powerful that it would be at least twice the power of a normal explosive.

Youtube "Alex Cross Death Scene" by Tim Richardson to see the Thermobaric warhead in action. The RPG is an American made Airtronic MK777 (the US take on the RPG-7).