Stepping backward.. Lower tech.

[ArmySGT.]

This is the way of the apocalypse

I see your Cuban tinkers and shade tree mechanics, and raise you Colombian narco submarines.

[ArmySGT.]

A massive technical college program also seems to need creation. The machinists and welders will need to expand their numbers.

FEMA would be in charge of this through the Executive Orders giving them this authority........... hampered by the muddy waters of the divided MilGov and CivGov situation.

[rcaf_777]

Looking at the mount in this photo, It would be a relatively easy modification. The Hummer mount uses an easily manufactured central strut that mounts right up to the stock carriage mount on the trunion assembly. The recoil is "counter mitigated" by the gas shocks (Long travel 10-Ton gas shocks) on either side of the mount. Why Because they point almost perpendicular to the trunnion assembly at max elevation and "oppose" the trunion assembly when the weapon is at lower angles of elevation. This allows them to act as a "surrogate carriage" and reduce the recoil stroke to an acceptable level that the central strut (and the Hummer) can withstand. The gas shocks also "support" the weight of the assembly for ease of barrel elevation and traverse. This is an elegantly simple mount made possible by the short recoil trunion of the 82mm Vasilek mortar.

What kind of Twilight skills and tasks are we looking at

[ArmySGT.]

[Draq]

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[.45cultist]

FEMA would be in charge of this through the Executive Orders giving them this authority........... hampered by the muddy waters of the divided MilGov and CivGov situation.

Thanks for understanding my mistake, "creation" instead of "created". What could a community and local forces do with high school, VoTech shops and staff could it be the basis of a "Wojo" style factory Combine this with a salvage yard and a fleet of technicals might be possible.

[ArmySGT.]

Thanks for understanding my mistake, "creation" instead of "created". What could a community and local forces do with high school, VoTech shops and staff could it be the basis of a "Wojo" style factory Combine this with a salvage yard and a fleet of technicals might be possible.

Sorry, I actually thought you meant at the macro scale...


My high school had x10 arc welders, x6 MIG welders, x3 Oxy/Ace welders, and a gas forge. In the shop side...... x6 10 inch lathes, one knee mill, one power hack saw, x2 metal cutting band saws, one metal shear, and one bending brake.

With absolutely no way to generate power. Totally dependent upon the electricity generated at the Bonneville dam.

[.45cultist]

Sorry, I actually thought you meant at the macro scale...


My high school had x10 arc welders, x6 MIG welders, x3 Oxy/Ace welders, and a gas forge. In the shop side...... x6 10 inch lathes, one knee mill, one power hack saw, x2 metal cutting band saws, one metal shear, and one bending brake.

With absolutely no way to generate power. Totally dependent upon the electricity generated at the Bonneville dam.

We now have 3 or 4 high schools, but I noticed the Missouri DOT vehicle facility had a generator the size of an Conex box next to its building. It is the yellow and black paint used on heavy equipment and easy to spot.

[Draq]

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[WallShadow]

Thanks for understanding my mistake, "creation" instead of "created". What could a community and local forces do with high school, VoTech shops and staff could it be the basis of a "Wojo" style factory Combine this with a salvage yard and a fleet of technicals might be possible.

From my point of view, such a core of tools and cadre of students and instructors, this would, at first, best be used as a Machine-tool-bulding set-up, to make more jigs, frames, etc., to allow more tools to be manufactured; a boot-strap sort of arrangement. Once enough drill-presses, lathes, milling machines were manufactured, a larger percentage of machine tool usage could be allotted to production of spare parts, remanufacturing firearms, trade goods, etc.

[ArmySGT.]

Thanks for understanding my mistake, "creation" instead of "created". What could a community and local forces do with high school, VoTech shops and staff could it be the basis of a "Wojo" style factory Combine this with a salvage yard and a fleet of technicals might be possible.

Sorry, I actually thought you meant at the macro scale...
My high school had x10 arc welders, x6 MIG welders, x3 Oxy/Ace welders, and a gas forge. In the shop side...... x6 10 inch lathes, one knee mill, one power hack saw, x2 metal cutting band saws, one metal shear, and one bending brake.
With absolutely no way to generate power. Totally dependent upon the electricity generated at the Bonneville dam.

From my point of view, such a core of tools and cadre of students and instructors, this would, at first, best be used as a Machine-tool-bulding set-up, to make more jigs, frames, etc., to allow more tools to be manufactured; a boot-strap sort of arrangement. Once enough drill-presses, lathes, milling machines were manufactured, a larger percentage of machine tool usage could be allotted to production of spare parts, remanufacturing firearms, trade goods, etc.

All of this equipment belongs typically to the State, even the stuff in High School VoTech (Vocational Technology, for non-Americans). Since the U.S. has functioning governments to some degree, I think this would all be collected up and transported somewhere else for the Reconstruction.... or a if there was power available, put to work on the spot for Reconstruction projects.

But, this is serious thread drift. Maybe a Mod can clip it out and start an American Wojo Factory thread with it all

[swaghauler]

Using the above video that ArmySGT provided, I can get a better idea of the mount's construction. First, let's talk materials needed for this project:

1) Two Large gas struts. I'd use 10-Ton LONG TRAVEL shocks (like the various military trucks in a number of armies use), but any large gas strut (like the ones used on the hatches of AFVs or aircraft ramps) will work.

2) High tensile steel to make the Uni-strut Assembly that bolts to the mortar's circular trunnion/carriage mounts. I'd use the girders from a modern multi-story building or a bridge deck strut. This will give you half of the structure without having to fabricate it.

3) High Tensile nuts and bolts. I'd cannibalize these from a bridge as well (you can also take them from a ship or transportable heavy crane).

4) One HIGH STRENGTH RING (with bearings and races) to mount to the truck bed. This would be a NIGHTMARE to have to fabricate (because of the precision fit of the bearings and races) so I would "cut" a complete turret ring out of a small AFV like a BRDM or the reinforced turret ring mounts found on some updated M113's. This ring would then be reinforced with a steel plate to mount the uni-strut to.

You would need:
-A welder
- power supply (for both the welder and tools)
-An Oxy-acetylene torch or a plasma cutter (and air compressor, of course)
-Powered hand tools such as grinders, die grinders, angle cutters, a belt sander and a large drill.
-hand tools to tighten the mounts bolts
-hydraulic's kit (found in a tracked vehicle mechanic's toolkit)
-prybars and pins for moving and setting large weights.

The strut would be a Routine (1.5 x Skill) Welding and Fabrication task taking about 8 hours (for a two man team).

The turret ring removal and plate installation would be an Easy (2 x Skill) Welding and Fabrication Skill and also take 8 hours (for two men). You can halve the time by doubling the laborers on this task (it involves a lot of heavy lifting).

Manufacturing a ring base from scratch would be a Difficult (0.5 x Skill) Welding and Fabrication AS WELL AS a Difficult (0.5 x Skill) Machining Skill. and take two men about 24 hours to properly fabricate.

All of this can be done "in the field," IF you have the resources.

[rcaf_777]

Post WWII Commercially Manufactured M1 Carbines

I know we talk about heavy weapons and APC/IFV but what about small arms

Here is a website about Post WWII Commercially Manufactured M1 Carbines

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbines.html

I had no idea they were still being produced or after the war so many number were produced

A few examples

From 1962 to 1978, the PLAINFIELD MACHINE CO., INC. of Middlesex, New Jersey made about 112,000. The Iver Johnson Arms Company bought the Company in 1978 and made another 92,000 until 1992.

I always wonder why the weapon was in NATO weapons book.

[swaghauler]

I know we talk about heavy weapons and APC/IFV but what about small arms

Here is a website about Post WWII Commercially Manufactured M1 Carbines

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbines.html

I had no idea they were still being produced or after the war so many number were produced

A few examples

From 1962 to 1978, the PLAINFIELD MACHINE CO., INC. of Middlesex, New Jersey made about 112,000. The Iver Johnson Arms Company bought the Company in 1978 and made another 92,000 until 1992.

I always wonder why the weapon was in NATO weapons book.

Kahr Arms bought out Auto Ordinance and makes both the M1 Carbine AND semi-auto Thompson submachine guns (more properly carbines in semi-auto). It is popular to make the 16" barreled Thompson into an NFA SBR since a good quality full-auto can command $50K in the US.
Inland also makes the M1 Carbine as well. The popularity of WW2 reenacting has driven the market for the last 20 years or so.