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  • #16
    3RD TEXAS REGIMENT - This unit was a prewar standing military formation, the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets. While much of the regiments senior membership were inducted into federal military service at the outbreak of war, a large number remained as the Army struggled to absorb draftees from around the nation. At the conclusion of the 1996-97 school year, the Governor of Texas ordered the Corps onto active duty, splitting its membership into two regiments. This unit (unofficially known as oethe 1st Aggies) left its College Station home to augment the Border Patrol in guarding the Mexican border, operating out of a ranch on the outskirts of Eagle Pass and from Laughlin Air Force Base near Del Rio. The regiments cadets were armed with a hodgepodge of M-16s from Air Force and National Guard stocks, M-14s and M-1s from the State Guard, shotguns from the factory in Eagle Pass and civilian weapons owned by the units members or donated by alumni. (The prize of the latter category was a pair of custom-made gold plated Barrett M-82 .50-caliber rifles donated by a Vietnam Veteran and oilman from the Class of 1963). The units patrols soon began to intercept thousands upon thousands of Mexican refugees fleeing chaos back home, directing them to makeshift camps, transporting them back across the border or moving them further into Texas to avoid overwhelming the Rio Grande valley. In early 1998 as the transportation system broke down the first food riots broke out in the refugee camps. The regiment was sent in to restore order; its troops were met with gunfire from the heavily armed Mexican gangs which were attempting to assert control in the camps. Within a week the camps were full-fledged combat zones and the regiment, reinforced with armored cars from the nearby Air Force base and under orders from the Governor, was ordered to shut them down and deport all the surviving inhabitants. The Mexican government protested and the relocation convoys were blocked by Mexican Army units, forcing the regiment to drive the refugees en masse towards the border at gunpoint. Conditions continued to deteriorate until the unit found itself in combat against the Mexican Army. With few support weapons (even after absorbing the Air Force Security Police Squadron and other base personnel and the Border Patrol agents in the sector) and with its rear area under pressure from Mexican refugees, sympathizers and infiltrators the regiment was forced north, retreating over Interstate 10 before rallying in San Angelo. The Mexican drive ran out of steam, slowed by American nuclear strikes on Mexico, inadequate logistics and resistance from the local populace. The regiment wintered in the town, building impressive defenses and absorbing the cadre and student body from Goodfellow Air Force Bases intelligence school. With a trickle of fuel from the nearby oil fields the formation was able to actively patrol, although cut off from other units in the vast spaces of Texas. It took part in the 1999 drive into Central Texas, linking up with units of XIII Corps before being repulsed by the Soviet Division Cuba. The regiment evacuated to the northwest, returning to its cantonment in San Angelo. It remained there throughout the remainder of the war.
    Subordination: State of Texas
    Current Location: San Angelo, TX
    Manpower: 500

    8TH TEXAS BRIGADE - This unit started the war as the 2nd Military Police Group, headquartered in Houston with subordinate units in Beaumont, Port Arthur and Bryan. The unit was called into state service at the outbreak of war and assigned several hundred untrained draftees and 50 retired NCOs from the Texas National Guard. Within a few weeks the unit, by now renamed a brigade (named oeTerrys Texas Rangers) was issued obsolete small arms and began patrolling the refineries along the Houston Ship Canal as well as protecting the ports and refineries in Port Arthur and Beaumont. The unit took heavy losses in the Soviet nuclear strikes on those refineries and the subsequent civil unrest and chaos, unrest that the unit was nominally responsible for quelling. Composed mostly of part-time guardsmen, like the other Texas State Guard units, many individual guardsmen survived the strikes while the units command structure was devastated. In that environment the unit disintegrated, with individual guardsmen often using their weapons and training in unofficial militias and bands of bandits (although at times the distinction was lost between the two).

    9TH TEXAS BRIGADE - This Texas State Guard formation was the smallest of the Texas brigades, drawing recruits from the city of El Paso and surrounding areas. Unfortunately those areas were sparsely populated so the oebrigade never exceeded five companies in strength, despite the influx of retired NCOs and draftees. The unit was primarily assigned to provide area defense for Fort Bliss and patrol the Mexican border in the immediate area of the city. The brigade was called into full-time service following the November 1997 nuclear strikes; its remote location prevented a significant influx of refugees from elsewhere in Texas. By January 1998, however, the El Paso area was being overwhelmed by streams of refugees from Mexico and the units harsh methods of dealing with the flow soon were causes of tension with the Mexican government. By June the brigade was engaged in full-blown riot control duties which the Mexican Army soon crossed the border to halt. The unit, stretched to the limit, put up brief resistance before being overwhelmed. The survivors were absorbed by the School Brigade.
    I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end...

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    • #17
      @Chico: Wonderful works as always. Glad to see you back. Missed your work.

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      • #18
        And some eye candy... a Minnesota Regiment command vehicle photographed at an evacuation site, August 1997.



        and

        A training exercise of the 41st Oregon Regiment, May 1997. The guardsmen are armed with privately-provided AR-15 semi-automatic rifles (equipped with blank firing adapters from the National Guard) and a modified civilian hunting rifle.

        Last edited by chico20854; 01-04-2017, 02:14 PM.
        I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end...

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        • #19
          @Chico:
          <holds up his electronic bowl with hunger in his eyes>
          Please, Sir, may we have more
          "Let's roll." Todd Beamer, aboard United Flight 93 over western Pennsylvania, September 11, 2001.

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          • #20
            Been trying to figure out character generation for a State Guardsman. Given their age at the time of Twilight War they would have already had a lifetime of skills. Anyway here is what I have

            Background

            Average Age 50-60

            Born 1940-1950

            2 Terms Max in the Military (Draft) See Draft Rules
            1 Term Mandatory in State Guard (Pre War) Any ideas on skills
            1 War Term Mandatory
            Max 8 Terms in Civilian employment

            Draft Rules

            Max 2 terms in the Military
            Any Occupation

            Service Details (1D6)

            1-2 Vietnam Service (add +1 to all Military Skills)
            3-4 Overseas Service (Korea or Germany)
            5-6 Stateside Service

            Discharge Status (1D10)

            1-4 Honourable
            5-7 General
            8 - Other than Honourable
            9 - Bad Conduct Discharge
            0 Dishonourable

            Life outside the Military

            No Law Enforcement Careers great than two terms
            No Government Agent Career
            PC can elected to serve one additional term in the ANG or USAR
            I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by chico20854 View Post
              Units were equipped with M-1 Garand rifles and M-1911 pistols
              What about having weapons manufactured from places like the Springfield Armory which has been producing M1A since 1974

              Springfield Armory M1A
              Springfield Armory P9
              Springfield Armory M6 Scout
              Springfield Armory M1 Garand
              Springfield Armory M1911


              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory,_Inc.

              There are also a few factories still producing the M1 Carbine as well

              I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post

                Background

                1 Term Mandatory in State Guard (Pre War) Any ideas on skills
                Rather than make this a Term, (since pre-war this is NOT the only thing you do for 4 years), select from the list of State guard skills instead of a secondary activity.

                The main career during that term must be a non-government (other than LOE, possibly). Term before war cannot be LOE (or you would be more useful in LOE than in the state guard)

                Skills can include non-combat skills:

                Law
                Medical
                Computer
                Scrounging
                History
                Ground Vehicle (Wheeled)
                Mechanic


                possibly Civil Engineering

                Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                Draft Rules

                Max 2 terms in the Military
                Any Occupation

                Service Details (1D6)

                1-2 Vietnam Service (add +1 to all Military Skills)
                3-4 Overseas Service (Korea or Germany)
                5-6 Stateside Service

                Discharge Status (1D10)

                1-4 Honourable
                5-7 General
                8 - Other than Honourable
                9 - Bad Conduct Discharge
                0 Dishonourable

                Life outside the Military

                No Law Enforcement Careers great than two terms
                No Government Agent Career
                PC can elected to serve one additional term in the ANG or USAR
                To reach the ages you describe, must make at least 5 terms before War Term.

                (Aging mandatory)

                Contact can be (in addition to Civilian career options) Govt or Military (NOT foreign)

                Uncle Ted

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                  Been trying to figure out character generation for a State Guardsman. Given their age at the time of Twilight War they would have already had a lifetime of skills. Anyway here is what I have

                  Background

                  Average Age 50-60

                  Born 1940-1950

                  2 Terms Max in the Military (Draft) See Draft Rules
                  1 Term Mandatory in State Guard (Pre War) Any ideas on skills
                  1 War Term Mandatory
                  Max 8 Terms in Civilian employment
                  I am not thinking that the State Guard should be a term, more like unkated said have it be secondary.

                  Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                  Draft Rules

                  Max 2 terms in the Military
                  Any Occupation
                  Why max 2 terms in the military Everyone that I know personally in the State Guard are all retired military.

                  Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                  Discharge Status (1D10)

                  1-4 Honourable
                  5-7 General
                  8 - Other than Honourable
                  9 - Bad Conduct Discharge
                  0 Dishonourable
                  I may be wrong, but I do not think you can get into the State Guard with a BCD, or Dishonourable.

                  Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                  Life outside the Military

                  No Law Enforcement Careers great than two terms
                  No Government Agent Career
                  PC can elected to serve one additional term in the ANG or USAR
                  Also why no Law Enforcement careers

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                    I am not thinking that the State Guard should be a term, more like unkated said have it be secondary.
                    Already stated above, but thanks

                    Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                    Why max 2 terms in the military Everyone that I know personally in the State Guard are all retired military.
                    The State Guard in the Twilight setting are soldiers too aged or medical unfit for federal service, if you have 3 or more terms in the Military (remembering terms are fours years) Then why would they be in state guard, and not recalled to federal service It also add to development of the PC's. Limiting the terms will give a strong military background and serves a motivation of why they serve in state guard. These are PC that served in military back during the Vietnam draft era.

                    Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                    I may be wrong, but I do not think you can get into the State Guard with a BCD, or Dishonourable.
                    I wouldn't know however adding to a characters background make a good PC so someone with a BCD would try and bluff his way in (Still working on this)

                    Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                    Also why no Law Enforcement careers
                    For the same reason as their is a limit on the Military terms. Law enforcement personnel would still me serving as law enforcement right to start of any game.

                    Remember you are creating a State Guard character, not a police officer or serving military character.
                    I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                      The State Guard in the Twilight setting are soldiers too aged or medical unfit for federal service, if you have 3 or more terms in the Military (remembering terms are fours years) Then why would they be in state guard, and not recalled to federal service It also add to development of the PC's. Limiting the terms will give a strong military background and serves a motivation of why they serve in state guard. These are PC that served in military back during the Vietnam draft era.
                      I understand that you do not want a serving military/LEO but my understanding was you were making older characters, so making a career (retired) military who got out after Vietnam, by TW2000 they will have been out for about 20 years, not likely to be getting recalled, or even let back in, and even if they were everything about the military is different by then.

                      Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                      For the same reason as their is a limit on the Military terms. Law enforcement personnel would still me serving as law enforcement right to start of any game.

                      Remember you are creating a State Guard character, not a police officer or serving military character.
                      I guess I am not understanding what you think the state guard character should be. I see the State Guard more as a club that they belong to that has some duties, same as Red Cross, Volunteer Fireman and so on. I am not sure how being a police officer would not let you use them. Yes they may not have been called up, but after the fecal matter hits the oscillating blade and they decide to call up the State Guard for home defense/law enforcement having a fully trained LEO (maybe even retired) on the team I could see being good.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                        I guess I am not understanding what you think the state guard character should be. I see the State Guard more as a club that they belong to that has some duties, same as Red Cross, Volunteer Fireman and so on. I am not sure how being a police officer would not let you use them. Yes they may not have been called up, but after the fecal matter hits the oscillating blade and they decide to call up the State Guard for home defense/law enforcement having a fully trained LEO (maybe even retired) on the team I could see being good.
                        I believe the point is that the state would rather have a senior LOE remain in place as a senior LOE rather than be called up to be State Guard, supporting LOEs.

                        Sherriff Wappinger, head of Burton County Sherrif Dept these past 10 years, (or his senior deputy) is probably of more value to the state of Oklahoma as Sherriff Wappinger, rather than Sgt (Lt, Capt or whatever) Wappinger of the Oklahoma State Guard, serving with a squad in a part of the state supporting another Sherriff.

                        Uncle Ted

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                          I guess I am not understanding what you think the state guard character should be. I see the State Guard more as a club that they belong to that has some duties, same as Red Cross, Volunteer Fireman and so on. I am not sure how being a police officer would not let you use them. Yes they may not have been called up, but after the fecal matter hits the oscillating blade and they decide to call up the State Guard for home defense/law enforcement having a fully trained LEO (maybe even retired) on the team I could see being good.
                          Your not thinking of the game terms, in the game the State Guard are used for home defense of a state, they are a military unit. While today we see the State Guard that has some duties, same as Red Cross, or Volunteer Fireman, that not how they were original organized. They are an organized military force at the service of the state in which they live. It should also me noted that many states would not even form state guard units until after their ANG Units are federalized.

                          While after the he fecal matter hits the oscillating blade, you find police, fireman and paramedics in the state guard. Before that they would doing their regular jobs. You can certainly generate these PC's or LEO's but they would doing their regular job up till the start of any adventure. So no state guard training until the last term of generation (the war term). I don't think it too much of stretch to for LEO or other special personnel to assigned to the state guard at the start of any adventure.
                          I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                            Your not thinking of the game terms, in the game the State Guard are used for home defense of a state, they are a military unit. While today we see the State Guard that has some duties, same as Red Cross, or Volunteer Fireman, that not how they were original organized. They are an organized military force at the service of the state in which they live. It should also me noted that many states would not even form state guard units until after their ANG Units are federalized.

                            While after the he fecal matter hits the oscillating blade, you find police, fireman and paramedics in the state guard. Before that they would doing their regular jobs. You can certainly generate these PC's or LEO's but they would doing their regular job up till the start of any adventure. So no state guard training until the last term of generation (the war term). I don't think it too much of stretch to for LEO or other special personnel to assigned to the state guard at the start of any adventure.
                            I am seeing that post TW2000 they are all combined together, but the part that is not clear to me is if you are making a character that has up to 12 terms (48 years life experiences) they are likely going to have retired from what ever job they held for most of there life. I am not seeing why someone could not make a character that was in the military for 5 terms (20 years) retired and then went to work doing what ever lets say LEO for the next 5 terms (20 years) and the retired for good. At some point they joined the State Guard as they missed the military but as they were retired and working a different job did not want to rejoin active or even the reserves, so the State Guard it is. When the balloon goes up they are not serving as a Solider or even a LEO as they are retired for 1 or 2 terms (4 to 8 years). They are to old to recall for the military and their skills are to out of date, they could maybe be recalled for LEO, but if that has been rolled into the State Guard they are already part of it.

                            I may be looking at it from a different point of view, as if you change LEO for Fire and State Guard for Red cross that fits my father almost to a tee. He joined the military in Vietnam era, did his time. Then became a Fireman retired as Chief and now volunteers for Red Cross. Due to age and all that he would not be recalled for either, but can do his "job" for the red cross.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CDAT View Post
                              I am not seeing why someone could not make a character that was in the military for 5 terms (20 years) retired and then went to work doing what ever lets say LEO for the next 5 terms (20 years) and the retired for good
                              Looking at the age chart I did here you will see why, any PC's that dose this route has the potential to be put back in uniform and given a administrative or training assignment once the war starts.

                              Same goes for an LEO, the potential for them to take on administrative or training duties to free other officer for other duties.

                              In short is dose not work for PC born after 1945.
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                              Last edited by rcaf_777; 01-08-2017, 01:24 PM.
                              I will not hide. I will not be deterred nor will I be intimidated from my performing my duty, I am a Canadian Soldier.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
                                Your not thinking of the game terms, in the game the State Guard are used for home defense of a state, they are a military unit. While today we see the State Guard that has some duties, same as Red Cross, or Volunteer Fireman, that not how they were original organized. They are an organized military force at the service of the state in which they live. It should also me noted that many states would not even form state guard units until after their ANG Units are federalized.

                                While after the he fecal matter hits the oscillating blade, you find police, fireman and paramedics in the state guard. Before that they would doing their regular jobs. You can certainly generate these PC's or LEO's but they would doing their regular job up till the start of any adventure. So no state guard training until the last term of generation (the war term). I don't think it too much of stretch to for LEO or other special personnel to assigned to the state guard at the start of any adventure.
                                The counter-argument is that State Guard isn't a full-time job except for the very highest echelons, so it shouldn't be a career path at all, but a secondary choice.

                                As far as them being just military units, I can't speak for other states, but that's laughable for Virginia. The VDF has been in essentially its current form since 1983, providing disaster support.

                                There are a fair number of State Guards that handily pre-date the T2K timeline. Virginia's current version has existed since 1983 (when the State Constitution was changed). California's had theirs since 1846. Georgia's had their current version since 1985 (in the 70s, it was essentially a volunteer auxiliary police force). Indiana's dates back to the Civil War. Maryland has had a Defense Force since 1983. Massachusetts had one until last year (when the new governor declined to extend their charter). Michigan had the Emergency Volunteers from 1988 to 1998. Mississippi reactivated theirs in 1986 due to the Total Force Concept. Washington has had theirs since 1960. Out of those, California, Georgia, and Indiana are the only ones that I know provide weapons training to their State Guard. Most State Guards that exist are not an "organized military force" in the sense of having any sort of combat capability.

                                Given the widely varying levels of training and duties of State Guards, I think it may be best to do two different versions of State Guard. The first would be to have it as part of the secondary options for characters, more as an explanation of how they learned a skill than as anything else. The second would be a draft option for characters who are too old to reasonably be expected to be sent overseas. Historically, the draft has tended to be limited to people 45 or younger, so having State Guard as a draft option for characters with 8+ terms seems possible. Anyone younger than that would likely be drafted before the State Guards become a full-time occupation.
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