OT Gibraltar

[RN7]

As were the Falklands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

No need for the old Vulcan's as the Tornado's can easily do the job now, as can the nuclear submarines with TLAM's!

[unkated]

As for can Spain take Gibraltar, of course it could. Whether it could keep it is another matter. It's similar to Howard saying we would defend it like we defended the Falklands. I hope that doesn't mean we're going to let the Spanish walk in and then spend inordinate amounts of money and lives to take it back.

Would the US be required to aid both sides due to treaty obligations We proved to be a faithless ally in for both sides in the Falklands

Hmmm. Could this rip NATO apart, and allow Russia the chance to seize Ukraine and the Balkans in the confusion! (to relate it to T2K)
Then it nukes NATO bases in Poland and Hungary!
A rump NATO scarmbles to counter without Britain, precipitating the Twilight War!
France rebuffs a British request to allow its troops in Germany passage through France!
China seizes its chance and attacks the Russian Far East!
North Korea seizes its chance and attacks South Korea! It hits US bases in Japan with conventional warheads on missiles to diminish US airpower!
Liberal Americans, fearing Trump will trigger a massive counterstrike inviting full nuclear retaliation from Russia and China, riot in Washington, lynching Trump and his staff in the process!

(T2K17!)

Makes almost as much sense to me as the V2.2 timeline

Uncle Ted

[James Langham2]

A few random thoughts:

* In 2002 the Royal Marines accidentally invaded Spain on an exercise when they landed on the wrong beach when attacking Gibraltar

*The rock apes are actually members of the British Army with regimental numbers...

* Shameless plug for my article about Gibraltar available on this site

[Olefin]

A few random thoughts:

* In 2002 the Royal Marines accidentally invaded Spain on an exercise when they landed on the wrong beach when attacking Gibraltar

*The rock apes are actually members of the British Army with regimental numbers...

* Shameless plug for my article about Gibraltar available on this site

Lucky the Royal Marines didnt use explosives on their exercise - "whoops sorry Senor - thought your house was our training objective"

[Cdnwolf]

AND while the world looks to Europe, Middle East and South China sea, Russian has quietly built up it's forces in Nicaragua again. Another Latin American flare up to keep the US off balance even more.

[Marc]

Being Catalan, I tend to observe the Spanish dispute with Gibraltar and the UK with some distance (Ei!, two companies of Catalans participated in the assault to Gibraltar in 1704) . But I would say that very few people in Spain are worried about this supposed increase in the tension between Spain and the UK. I do not perceive any kind of concern, only a moderate interest and a certain feeling of disbelief. A kind of oeand now, why are they arguing about Gibraltar, again A question that is usually answered shrugging ones shoulders. Although Gibraltar is a problem that arises from time to time, I think that every time that this happens is because the status of the British Colony is used by both governments following their own interests and mistakes. Quite sure you will find a small group of enthusiastic followers echoing the declarations of their respective governments. But, by the most part, people are not very interested. And both the UK and Spain have much more serious problem to face at the short term.

So, having said this, we are free to produce any T2K variation about the current situation. At least we could get something useful and funny of this last oecrisis (that, of course, will not be The Last).

[ArmySGT.]

Being Catalan, I tend to observe the Spanish dispute with Gibraltar and the UK with some distance (Ei!, two companies of Catalans participated in the assault to Gibraltar in 1704) . But I would say that very few people in Spain are worried about this supposed increase in the tension between Spain and the UK. I do not perceive any kind of concern, only a moderate interest and a certain feeling of disbelief. A kind of oeand now, why are they arguing about Gibraltar, again A question that is usually answered shrugging ones shoulders. Although Gibraltar is a problem that arises from time to time, I think that every time that this happens is because the status of the British Colony is used by both governments following their own interests and mistakes. Quite sure you will find a small group of enthusiastic followers echoing the declarations of their respective governments. But, by the most part, people are not very interested. And both the UK and Spain have much more serious problem to face at the short term.

So, having said this, we are free to produce any T2K variation about the current situation. At least we could get something useful and funny of this last oecrisis (that, of course, will not be The Last).

Is Spain making another land grab of homes and businesses built by foreign investors around Barcelona and Costa del Sol like they did recently. 2005 or 2008

[Marc]

Is Spain making another land grab of homes and businesses built by foreign investors around Barcelona and Costa del Sol like they did recently. 2005 or 2008

Uf! No idea about this! I'm sorry ArmySGT...

[ArmySGT.]

Uf! No idea about this! I'm sorry ArmySGT...

That's ok. It doesn't really affect me at all. I know it made it hard to lure foreign investors back during the recession.

Meanwhile, I wish I had taken pictures inside the Spanish Army museum in Madrid when I was there. Any military museums or displays in Barcelona I should look for someday

[Marc]

That's ok. It doesn't really affect me at all. I know it made it hard to lure foreign investors back during the recession.

Meanwhile, I wish I had taken pictures inside the Spanish Army museum in Madrid when I was there. Any military museums or displays in Barcelona I should look for someday

I'm afraid you will not find the same here, in Catalonia, at least in the form of military museums. Strange thing, given that this is our longest period of peace. But the past years of dictatorship with Franco and the difficult relationship between Catalonia and Spain have caused a reaction against anything that sounds military. The only military museum in Barcelona is in Montju-c Castle, and it was about to be closed two years ago. Its seems difficult (or nearly impossible) to have an objective treatment of the military history without opening past wounds. As an exempla, Barcelona was bombarded at least twice from Montju-c itself to suppress riots. You will find history museums with contents about our wars but (with the exception of Montju-c Castle), you will not find a military-only museum. You can make an interesting visit to the Ebro Battle scenario (200 Km away from Barcelona), especially if you have read before any book that allows you to move knowing the critical points of the battlefield. You will find small and interesting local museums about the battle in some villages of the area. And, of course, you will find military architecture everywhere. Our wood is not good to build fortifications, so stone built structures are everywhere and you will find any kind of fortress, since Roman walls to Renaissance bastion forts, medieval castles and towers to protect the coastal villages against Muslim pirates.

Anyway, send me a message if you want a local guide!