T2K Naval War in the Pacific

[shrike6]

Back on the old forum, I had posted some Naval stuff-and that included the Constellation carrier group at Guam along with several other ships at Chinhae, ROK, including the cruiser Des Moines (Salem's sister). There were also several attack subs and boomers active, and the battleship Wisconsin moored at Hilo, HI. Nmitz carrier group at NAS Alameda and a few other assets (mostly USCG) in the Bay Area.

I vaguely recall that. I don't know whether its in the gigabytes of data I need to sort through, or whether I lost that along the way some place. I'll see if if I can't dig it up if I still have it.

[Olefin]

Wouldn't the bulk of Australia's Navy be committed to the Papua New Guinea Conflict with Indonesia Or is that not part of the history they are putting together

Comes down to if you are using V1 or V2 history

V1 has no mention of Australia and Indonesia at war and also no mention of Japan getting hit by the USSR - if anything the V1 Soviet vehicle guide implies an intact Japan that is spreading thru what is left of the USSR in an attempt to start trade with what is left -which is hardly what a nuked country would be doing

V2 on the other hand has the Australia Indonesia conflict and Japan getting nuked

The fact that his history mentions the air strikes on Vietnam (which in V2 has a US division stationed there and no Soviet ones) means we are looking at a V1 sourcebook - thus that leaves the Australian Navy free to engage the Soviets if they were involved in the war

[Olefin]

I vaguely recall that. I don't know whether its in the gigabytes of data I need to sort through, or whether I lost that along the way some place. I'll see if if I can't dig it up if I still have it.

I think you also had that information in the single issue of the fanzine - you might want to look there

[shrike6]

I think you also had that information in the single issue of the fanzine - you might want to look there

I'm not the fanzine guy. Didn't even know there was one. If its in there good deal cause Matt does good work.

[Raellus]

V1 has no mention of Australia and Indonesia at war and also no mention of Japan getting hit by the USSR - if anything the V1 Soviet vehicle guide implies an intact Japan that is spreading thru what is left of the USSR in an attempt to start trade with what is left -which is hardly what a nuked country would be doing

Any T2K material that I produce follows the v1.0 timeline.

The SVG reference to Japan is an interesting one. The SVG is styled as a history of the Twilight War, but it doesn't specify at what point in that universe's future it was written. Was it written in 2002 If so, then Japan probably wasn't nuked. If it was written in 2010, perhaps it was, but has recovered more quickly than the former U.S.S.R.

My T2KU presumes that Japan was indeed nuked by the Soviets.

As for Australia and Indonesia, since v1.0 doesn't mention a war between the two, the writer pretty much has carte blanche, no I kind of like the idea of a war for New Guinea as it creates some interesting world-building possibilities.

[Olefin]

The way V1 is written I dont think Japan was nuked or as you said only took a few like France did - you might want to ask Mark on that or Frank Chadwick both of whom are on facebook as to what he wants there

after all its one thing if every major city gets nuked - its another if only their major refineries and maybe a couple of US bases in Japan or in Okinawa get hit - still bad but its not country ending per se

V2 they definitely got nuked and nuked hard

And you are right about the vagueness of how that book was written - it says that the part that still considers itself part of the Soviet Union says it is still at war - but the question is where is "the University" that was putting the book together and when

[RN7]

Any T2K material that I produce follows the v1.0 timeline.

The best timeline in my opinion.

[Olefin]

The best timeline in my opinion.

and the choir said AMEN!!!!!!

[pmulcahy11b]

Any T2K material that I produce follows the v1.0 timeline.

I like the v1 timeline, but it doesn't work for me anymore. Yet, I don't like the V2 and V2.2 timelines either. I sort of like the T2K13 timeline, but I think it needs a lot of work.

The best thing may be to create a new timeline.

And in any case, I absolutely prefer the v2.2 rules, and many times the modifications people have made to them (or if they can be translated to 2.2). This, despite the many shortcomings of that rules set, is the best T2K rule set.

[shrike6]

Any T2K material that I produce follows the v1.0 timeline.

Out of the canon timelines v1.0 is the best. It probably helps that it has the most modules written for it. I also have some problems with the v1.0 and like a few ideas with v2.x timelines as well as well as a bunch of ideas of my own. Personally I use a modified timeline to fix the perceived errors I see. Never got a copy of T2K13 so I can't speak to it but I do like the v2.2 rules. With that being said everybody has to find the flavor of T2K timeline they like and run with it.

[Olefin]

From the fanzine

USS Missouri (BB-63)
Active Pacific: Active off Korea and in containment of SOVPACFLT 1996-
97. In port at Chinhae, ROK due to lack of fuel.

USS Wisconsin (BB-64)
Active Pacific: Active off Korea and Aleutians.

Destroyed reinforcement convoy headed for Alaska 6/18/97. Damaged by
conventional torpedo (one hit) in bow from Victor-II SSN 11/22/97
and headed for Pearl Harbor, HI for repairs. Diverted to Hilo after nuclear strike on Honolulu. In port Hilo for lack of fuel, but still seaworthy.

USS Des Moines (CA-134)
Active Pacific: Involved in Korean Campaign since 5/1/97. In port Chinhae, ROK due to lack of fuel.

USS Boxer (LHD-6) VMA-322 with AV-8B embarked.

Ship was en route to Persian Gulf when nuclear exchange hit CONUS.
In Port at Hilo, HI. Occasionally sails in Hawaiian waters supporting PACCOM's reconstruction efforts.

USS Forrest Sherman (DD-931) reactivated Jan 97.
Assigned Pacific and based at Pearl Harbor.
At sea when Honolulu nuked and now based at Hilo. She escorts Boxer on
her infrequent cruises. Only other ship active at Hilo on a routine basis
is the Coast Guard Cutter USCG Chase (WHEC-718).

USS Semmes (DDG-18):Chinhae, ROK.
One of only two 7th FLT ships in Korea active on a regular basis. Frequent Patrols in Yellow Sea supporting SEAL operations in North Korea and in China.

Other active ship in Korea is USS Vincennes (CG-49) with HSL-47
det 1 (SH-60B).


Guam: USS Essex (LHD-2) at NS Guam.

She "shows the flag" in the Marianas: VMA-124 with AV-8B
embarked for, but never arrived, in Korea. She had also embarked
Marine replacements for Korea, but put into Guam after nuclear exchange reached CONUS. Marines formed into the 41st MEU (Provisional). Her escort is USS Turner Joy (DD-951); reactivated Jan 97 and assigned Pacific.

Escorted Essex on her transPac and remains based at Guam. Provides fire support for Marines and Army's 1-294 Infantry Battalion (GU NG). Additional Marines that never made it to Korea are on Saipan and Tinian organized into the 42nd MEU (Prov) on Saipan and 43rd MEU (Prov) on Tinian.

NS Guam

USS Columbus (SSN-762).

No shortage of Mk-48 torpedoes, but Harpoon SSMs and Tomahawks are
in limited supply. Frequent patrols to China, North Korean, and Soviet Far
East waters, with occasional patrols to SE Asia.

Hilo, HI

USS La Jolla (SSN-701)
USS Houston (SSN-713)
USS Helena (SSN-725)
USS Topeka (SSN-754)

Torpedoes are still reasonably available; but Harpoons and Tomahawks are in short supply. Patrols to Alaska, Soviet Far East, China, and adjacent waters.

Sub Base Bangor, WA

USS Parche: Milgov is still very secretive regarding her missions. A platoon from SEAL Team 1 is assigned to the boat.

The boomers belong to Submarine Squadron 17.

USS Florida (SSBN-728)
USS Alabama (SSBN-731)
USS Alaska (SSBN-732)
USS Nevada (SSBN-733)

All four boats executed SIOP when ordered on Thanksgiving Day, 1997. None expended their whole load of missiles; Nevada only expended two, as an example. Missile tubes were reloaded and the boats continue patrols, with Florida and Alaska launching in 1998 (four and two respectively), and Nevada
launching in 1999 (two). Torpedoes are still available at Bangor.

[Matt Wiser]

Olefin, thanks for posting that. If anyone can find the material on the carriers-and I am looking through my notes for that information, that would be greatly appreciated.

[shrike6]

Olefin, thanks for posting that. If anyone can find the material on the carriers-and I am looking through my notes for that information, that would be greatly appreciated.

Taking a quick glance at his post, I think Olefin omitted a few things. I see the Connie in there. Here's the link for the fanzine. Your Naval forces start on page 25.

[Olefin]

You are right - I only put up the stuff about the Pacific and omitted the carriers because Mark from what I saw didnt have what they had for planes that were still operational - wanted to concentrate more on the surface ships and subs.

[Olefin]

Taking a quick glance at his post, I think Olefin omitted a few things. I see the Connie in there. Here's the link for the fanzine. Your Naval forces start on page 25.

FYI for instance you are right - here's the Connie which is at Guam but while it has the various squadrons it doesnt say how many aircraft are still operational if any

USS Constellation (CV-64)
w/ CVW-2 (tailcode NE)
VF-1: F-14D
VF-2: F-14D
VFA-137: F/A-18C
VFA-151: F/A-18C
VA-145: A-6F
VA-155: A-6F
VS-38: S-3B
VAQ-131: EA-6B
VAW-116: E-2C
VQ-5 det 6: ES-3B
HS-14: SH-60F/HH-60