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  • #16
    Originally posted by mpipes View Post
    I really think V2 and 2.2 get things wrong with the fallout from the Coup. I think that makes everyone start going "wait a minute....." with the headlong rush to de-mobilize at least slowing. Once a shooting war broke out in China, things would have gone into overdrive (IMO) to mobilize and the US would have started actually forming new division. By November 1996, all of NATO would have been executing their mobilization plans and getting weapons production geared up to wartime planning.

    Russia I think pretty much gets its act together...save the Motherland and all...it worked in 1941 and I think would have worked in 1995. Not that are back at their peak by 1/1997, but they are not a basket case like they were historically either.
    I would love to play "Devil's Advocate" and give some options for the CCN's being updated in V2.2 here. These come from plans the Navy put forth in the Early 90's that my friend Tim found and told me about.

    The USS California and South Carolina:

    The cruisers would get the Aegis upgrade that was initially proposed along with Link 12 Data Management Upgrades AND COMPLETE Digital Upgrades (they received the initial "Digital Tartar Upgrades in the 80's). These and weapons, environmental, and powerplant upgrades would allow the Navy to reduce her crew of 530 to 398. That's a HUGE saving in operational costs.

    They would have replaced the MK16 "matchbox" ASROC Launcher (and her loading forecastle/torpedo room in front of it) and both MK13 "one-armed bandit"/Standard Launchers (which contained 80 missiles each) with SIX of the newly available SECOND GENERATION MK41 VLS (the 32-round variant) with two VLS launchers placed in each location. This would have given both ships 192 VLS cells in 3 64-cell groupings (with 1 missile type per 8 missile cells in a 64-cell group) and made them the most powerful cruisers afloat in the 90's (AND even today). Two MK32 (12") Triple Torpedo Tubes would be mounted forward of the ship's launches. The upgrade still included the 2 X 4 MK141 Harpoon Box Launchers behind the forward deckhouse, as well as the 2 X 4 MK143 ABL Tomahawk Launchers on either side of the rear deck (facing forward). The upgrade would DOUBLE the Phalanx/SEAWIZ 20mm from two to FOUR. I think you might see the two Phalanx/SEAWIZ alongside the upper deckhouse (behind the Harpoons) and one each forward of the deckhouse and above the after 5". The Navy might even upgrade those two to 11-round SEARAM Launchers to increase interception range.

    I have no doubt that had those upgrades been done, the USS California and the USS South Carolina would be sailing today.

    The Virginia Class Upgrade:

    The Virginia Class ships needed more work. Their "fantail hangers" leaked badly and their ASW helo were deleted in their 1980's update. The general updates would decrease their crew requirement from 528 to 396. They would replace EACH of their two MK26 Launchers with TWO Second-Generation (32-round) MK41 VLS Launchers for 128 total VLS launch cells (the same as the Ticos). The update called for adding two more Phalanx/SEAWIZ systems fore and aft (just like the Californias). They would keep their Harpoons (2 X 4) and Tomahawks (2 X 4). It also called for rebuilding the fantail and reinforcing the helipad (with the hanger already deleted in the 80's update).

    This is where I'd make one "creative change" to her rebuild. The RAST was revolutionary for helos and a new class of US Ship, the Cyclones, introduced the next new thing. A launch ramp for RIBs that allowed her to disembark or embark RIBs UNDERWAY. This was done for the SEALs but has found its way onto ALL the newer US ships. The hanger space on the fantail could have been modified to a RIB-retrieval dock and the Virginias could have made good use of this rescuing downed pilots or doing "anti-piracy" work. This would allow the relocation of the Tomahawks alongside the deckhouse and closer to the ship's center of gravity.

    I think the four Virginia Class Cruisers would still be sailing if this update had occurred. In the US Navy's defense, The Carolina's would have cost about 3 Billion Dollars to do and the four Virginia's would have run around 6 Billion Dollars, as much as an Aircraft Carrier in the 1990's.
    Last edited by swaghauler; 05-30-2018, 04:54 PM.

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    • #17
      Hey guys:

      I tried to find out what ships would be available to the Russians in 1999 but I can only find recent data. Does anyone have any idea what ships would still exist I'm thinking something around 30% shrinkage before the war and about 10% remaining after the exchange.

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      • #18
        Hey Swaghauler, I don't know if this is any help but Global Security has a list of Soviet/Russian naval vessels from 1945 to 1990.
        Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s the Russian Navy suffered from a chronic shortage of funding and overall attention from Moscow. Under the tutelage of President Vladimir Putin and Minister of Defense Sergei Ivanov Russia's military policy was drastically revamped.


        There's also an interesting quote from Rear Admiral Valery Aleksin about Russia in the 2000s having a fleet of about 320 modern combat vessels, a figure about one third of the Soviet/Russian fleet in 1990.
        Specifics can be found here about halfway down the page: -


        However it's a comment from the following site that really piqued my interest, a claim that the Russian naval vessels that went out of service in the 1990s was due to a lack of repair/maintenance bases (because those facilities were allowed to degrade).
        One of the main problems that the Russian fleet inherited after "the collapse" of the 1990s was the degradation of its base infrastructure....


        This site might also be of use, it's a blog on the Russian military and the author apparently does quite a bit of work for the US Naval Institute.
        The following links are pages on the modern Russian navy: -


        This if the fourth and final installment of my article series with Norman Polmar, the last issue focuses on Russian naval aviation. Naval aviation is perhaps the component of the Russian Navy most …

        I never did find part 1 of this series but the following link is, I'm assuming, probably the first article (considering it is co-authored with the same person as the other three that I've linked above)
        EDIT: After reading the article properly instead of just skimming through it, it is indeed part one of the series


        ANOTHER EDIT:
        And this is definitely worth looking at. The Soviet Navy as of 1990 compared to the Russian Navy of 2015

        Hi-Res image of the graphic (link courtesy of the link above and far too big to post here!): -
        Last edited by StainlessSteelCynic; 05-27-2018, 02:44 AM. Reason: clarification EDIT again - adding more

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        • #19
          And because my curiosity got the better of me, I went looking for info on the Soviet Navy after 1990.
          I should have thought to check Haze Gray & Underway earlier but alas, I didn't. Anyway, if you are prepared to trawl through the various entries for the ship classes, they sometimes list those ships struck off the register and the year this took place.
          For example: from the page on gun cruisers, "Sverdlov class cruiser Aleksandr Suvorov at sea. Complete in 1953, she was stricken in 1990"

          So here's the link, https://www.hazegray.org/features/russia/

          Like you said, down the rabbithole...


          EDIT:
          Bah! Down the rabbithole indeed!
          The page I linked to at Haze Grey has the following feature https://www.hazegray.org/features/hiddensee/
          Last edited by StainlessSteelCynic; 05-27-2018, 03:31 AM. Reason: More information

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          • #20
            Thanks for the info Cynic! I found another website that might help as well.

            Toward a major decline (in number) through the 2010’s but toward a more reasonable (and realistic) fleet size. Warning: some data uncertain,...


            I hope this link works.



            Swag.
            Last edited by swaghauler; 05-30-2018, 05:02 PM.

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            • #21
              The Russian Fleet In An Alternate V2.2 History

              After taking a hard look at all of the Russian Navy ships I decided that they would sacrifice part of their fleet to generate the funds to save the other half. Some of these entries are based on actual history as it unfolded in the real world. Other parts are sheer fantasy based on how I believe a resurgent "Rogue Russia" might act to save their more precious capital ships. I see the Russians SELLING OFF or in a worst case scenario SCRAPPING some ships in order to save others. Russia would be able to sell to the following countries DESPITE a UN Arms Embargo trying to stop just such activity:

              Angola
              Argentina
              Brazil
              China
              Columbia
              Cuba
              Guatemala
              India
              Iran
              Iraq
              Lebanon
              Mexico
              North Korea
              Syria
              Vietnam

              The Russians would be selling their older and many smaller ships to these countries in order to fund maintenance on their newer ships. They would regret selling China several larger (and newer) ships when the conflict with China heated up at the end of 1995.

              I will also be suggesting "upgrades" that the Russians might make to vessels in order to increase those hull's perceived resale value to foreign navies. I will have to break this down into a series of posts because the old Soviet Fleet had so many varying ship types. So here we go....

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              • #22
                Happy to help.
                I had a very extensive list of links at one time, for military topics, but over time I culled them because I just wasn't using them. My main interest is land forces & infantry weapons and so I discarded pretty much all the navy & air force links I had.
                However I still had some (sometimes vague!) memories of various websites.

                But that's the strength of a forum like this, different people with different information being able to share that knowledge. Even if it's not immediately useful, it broadens the knowledge base.

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                • #23
                  Off the top of my head, I don't know the T2k status of Nicaragua but the too could be a likely client for the smaller Soviet ships (e.g. coastal patrol craft, minesweepers etc. etc.)

                  Originally posted by swaghauler View Post
                  After taking a hard look at all of the Russian Navy ships I decided that they would sacrifice part of their fleet to generate the funds to save the other half. Some of these entries are based on actual history as it unfolded in the real world. Other parts are sheer fantasy based on how I believe a resurgent "Rogue Russia" might act to save their more precious capital ships. I see the Russians SELLING OFF or in a worst case scenario SCRAPPING some ships in order to save others. Russia would be able to sell to the following countries DESPITE a UN Arms Embargo trying to stop just such activity:

                  Angola
                  Argentina
                  Brazil
                  China
                  Columbia
                  Cuba
                  Guatemala
                  India
                  Iran
                  Iraq
                  Lebanon
                  Mexico
                  North Korea
                  Syria
                  Vietnam

                  The Russians would be selling their older and many smaller ships to these countries in order to fund maintenance on their newer ships. They would regret selling China several larger (and newer) ships when the conflict with China heated up at the end of 1995.

                  I will also be suggesting "upgrades" that the Russians might make to vessels in order to increase those hull's perceived resale value to foreign navies. I will have to break this down into a series of posts because the old Soviet Fleet had so many varying ship types. So here we go....

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                  • #24
                    The Russian Capital Ships

                    The Kirov Class CCN: The Russians worked very hard to salvage ALL 4 of their nuclear Battlecruisers. These were not only the most powerful surface ships in the old Soviet Navy but were also envisioned as long-endurance commerce raiders. Two ships were deployed with the Pacific Fleet and two ships with The Northern Fleet. They were NEVER sent to the Baltic or the Black Sea to prevent NATO from "bottling them up." They survive on a 1 on 1D20.

                    The Admiral Kuznetsov & The Varyag: The "Admiral" was at sea for the entire Twilight War while the Varyag only makes it off of the construction slipway late in the war (1997 or 1998) IF a 1 on 1D20 is rolled. The "Admiral" only survives on a 1 on 1D20 due to her importance AND the various mechanical and electrical issues which plague her throughout her life.

                    The Kiev Class "Carriers": The Russians keep The Novorossiysk and the Baku BUT sell the Kiev (to China who names her The Liaoning) and the Minsk (to India) as well as BOTH Moskva Class (one each to China and India) in order to restore the two remaining ships of this class AND continue building the Varyag. One is stationed in the Northern Fleet and the other is in the Pacific Fleet at the start of the war. Due to their age and the load they must carry, they survive only on a 1 on 1D20.

                    The Sverdlov Class Cruisers: The Russians keep 10 out of the 17 venerable Sverdlov Class Cruisers. They are forced to scrap 4 and they upgrade 3 Cruisers and sell them (to finance the upgrades). The Cruisers are sold to China, India, and Syria.
                    The 16 dual 37mm mountings are removed from ALL the ships and converted to truck-mounted AA systems. These find their way to Africa and South America. The 100mm Cannon are sold to China who uses them on several older ship types (much to Russia's chagrin later on). The third 152mm gun turret on every ship is removed (and kept for parts) and replaced with an SA-N-4 Gecko twin-armed Missile Launcher with 18 reloads (giving 20 missiles with two on the launcher itself). 8 ADG-6-30 30mm CIWS guns replace the 6 100mm Cannon along the deckhouse and the two rear twin 37mm mounts above the #3 152mm Gun Turret (replaced by the SA-N-4). TWO RBU-6000 Anti-Submarine Rocket Launchers are mounted on either elevated 37mm mounting alongside the deckhouse (one on each side). There are also mine racks for 24 mines OR two Depth Charge Racks (containing 24 depth charges each) mounted on the mine rails at the stern. Two 8-Round Box Launchers for the SA-N-5 "Grail" (the "navalized" SA7) are mounted on the 37mm AA mounting forward of the after funnel.
                    The Sverdlov's were set up as Command Cruisers for amphibious assault forces and two Cruisers serve in each of the five Fleets (alternating deployments). They are Russia's answer to the Iowa Class of the US Navy and are the most powerful gun platforms on Earth after the Iowas. They survive on a 1 on 1D20 (max 2).

                    The Kydna Class Cruisers: Of the four ships of this class, one was scrapped and the other Three were sold to Cuba, Syria, and Libya to fund improvements in newer ships. Their steam turbine power was old and tired and they were too costly to upgrade.

                    The Kresta I & Kresta II Class: The four Kresta I's were commissioned in the 1960's and were only an interim design. They had experienced significant abuse and all four were salvaged and scrapped to provide funding for other ships. The 10 Kresta II's were built in the 1970's and in much better shape. Five of the ships were either scrapped or sold to India and China and the other FIVE ships were placed in reserve/training (one with each Fleet). They survive on a 1 on 1D20.

                    The Kara Class: The Seven ships of this class are modern COGAG designs. Two units were sold to India to update/maintain the remaining five ships. They were distributed at the rate of ONE per Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20.

                    The Slava Class Cruisers: All THREE Slava Class Cruisers are still in service and intended as surface commerce raiders. They are allocated at one in the Pacific, one in the Baltic, and one in the Northern Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (one only).

                    The Kashin & Kashin (Mod) Class Destroyers: The first all gas-turbine ships in the Soviet Navy, 14 Kashin, and 6 Kashin (mod) Destroyers were built between 1963 and 1980. One Kashin (Mod) was scrapped after being destroyed by fire. Six Kashin were scrapped/salvaged and eight Kashin were sold to various Navies (China [2], India [2], Cuba, Syria, Iran, & Libya). The Five remaining upgraded Kashin (Mods) are still in service and distributed at the rate of one per fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (one max).

                    The Udaloy Class Destroyers: With 12 ships in service when the Soviet Union fell, the Udaloy class was comparable to the US "Spru-cans." One ship caught fire and was scrapped in 1992 and a second also caught fire and was sold to India to be rebuilt (In reality this ship was rebuilt and reentered service in the LATE 90's). This leaves 10 ships distributed between all five Fleets at two ships per Fleet. These ships survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (two max).

                    The Sovremenny Class Destroyers: The follow-on to the Kresta II class, Seven Sovremenny Class Destroyers were built. They too used a high-pressure steam boiler system for power. Two were sold to India in order to maintain the other FIVE ships. They are distributed at the rate of ONE per Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20.

                    The Krivak Class Frigates: This class of Frigate spawned an "identification rap" by US sailors. "hotdog pack, smokestack, guns in the back... KRIVAK!" The Krivaks came in 3 Classes initially and I expand that to 4 Classes. The Krivak I's had two twin-barreled 76mm guns behind her smokestack. The Russians made 17 Krivak I's (and I convert them all to more advanced models or sell them). TWO were converted to the Krivak III standard to bring that model up to 10 ships. TEN ships were converted to Krivak IV standard at the rate of two per year. TWO ships were scrapped for parts and salvage. THREE ships were sold to India to fund the other ship's conversions.
                    The Krivak II Ships upgraded the two twin-barreled 76mm Cannon to TWO single barrelled 100mm Cannon. The electronics were also upgraded.
                    The Krivak III were built as border patrol vessels and replaced the forward SS-N-14 Silex ASW Missiles (known as "the hotdog pack" by US sailors) with a 100mm Cannon (from the rear mounts). It then deleted BOTH rear 100mm Cannon and added a hanger for a helicopter and TWO ADG-630 30mm Gatling Guns above it.
                    The Krivak IV was never built but I liked the PROPOSED "conversion" so I am including it here. This conversion removes the SS-N-14 Silex "hotdog pack" and adds a 100mm Cannon up front (possibly from a Sverdlov Class Cruiser) and the helo hanger and twin 30mm CIWS of the Krivak III. It then DELETES the twin quad 533mm (21") torpedo tubes amidships and adds 2 dual launchers for the SS-N-2 "Styx" anti-ship missiles carried by the Tarantul Class Corvette. This provides the 10 converted Krivak IVs with a much broader capability than the original models. The Krivaks (of all classes) survive the War on a roll of 1 on 1D20.

                    The Auxiliaries: The Russian Navy has 21 Tankers, Ammo Supply Ships, and Cargo Vessels distributed throughout the five Fleets.

                    The MineSweepers: The Russians still have 20 Natya I's, 6 Vanya II's, and 5 Yurk Class Minesweepers in service. They all survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. No more than 6 units can survive.

                    The Landing Ships: The Russians have 3 Ivan Rogov Class, 10 Alligator Class, 12 Ropucha Class, and 25 Polnocny Class Ships. These survive on a 1 on 1D20. No more than 10 units can survive.

                    I will post the Russian "Corvettes" tomorrow. The Russians often call what the West would consider Corvettes "Frigates" and they have SEVERAL Classes in large numbers. Therefore, I felt it appropriate to separate them from the other ships.
                    Last edited by swaghauler; 05-31-2018, 06:20 PM. Reason: I added the Krivak Class Frigates to this list

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                    • #25
                      The Russian Corvettes and Patrol Ships

                      The Russians have always made small but powerful ships for coastal patrol or littoral combat. Below is a listing of existing ships in my alternate V2.2 Timeline.

                      Retired "Classic" Ship Types: The Komar Class, Mirka Class, Osa Class, Peyta Class, Poti Class, and Riga Class were already being retired when the Coup happened. The sale or scrapping of these ships was accelerated to generate income to either build or restore more modern and useful classes of Corvette.

                      The Stenka Class Patrol Boat: This is the Russian equivalent of a US Coast Guard Cutter and 117 were built. The Russians still use about 60 of these boats but the other boats were sold as they are very popular among poorer countries. With twin 37mm Autocannon fore and aft, FOUR 400mm (15.75") Torpedo Tubes, and 12 depth charges, they are HEAVILY armed for their size. They are also easy to maintain. Newer models are equipped with two 30mm CIWS Gatling guns. The Stenkas survive on a roll of 1 on 1D6 with up to 30 surviving.

                      The Shershen Class Torpedo Boats: 85 such boats were built but the Soviet Union only had 30 left by the time of the Coup. These were another popular boat with poorer client States. Their initial armament in Russian service was TWO 14.5mm KPV machineguns (one fore and one aft in powered turrets) and FOUR 533mm (21") Heavy Torpedo Tubes. Some export models were equipped with lighter torpedos. The 30 remaining ships sold like hot cakes when the Russians upgraded the KPVs to Twin 37mm Autocannon in powered mounts. the following countries bought the modded Shershen Class:

                      Mexico: 8 boats but they replaced the two rear 533mm torpedo tubes with Penguin Missile launchers.
                      Nicaruagua: 2 boats.
                      Guadamala: 2 boats.
                      Iraq: 4 boats.
                      Vietnam: 4 boats.
                      North Korea: 4 boats.
                      Yemen: 4 boats.
                      Malasia: 2 boats.

                      The class was so lucrative for Russia that she sold them all to generate revenue.

                      The Parachim Class: These East German-built boats (nearly identical to the Russian Grisha Class) are still in the inventory in our real world. In my alternate timeline, it becomes impossible for Russia to buy replacement parts for these vessels due to the UN Sanctions on her. Since Russia only bought them to help subsidize the East German shipbuilding industry, they sell them to India (who also bought all of the East German ships) to generate income.

                      The Bora Class Hovercraft/Frigate: Both of these experimental ships are still with the Mediterranean Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20.

                      The Muka Class Corvette: This SINGULAR experimental hydrofoil design was sold to India to generate income.

                      The Grisha I Corvette: This class was a dedicated ASW Corvettes built from the 1960's. There were 15 built. They were sold or upgraded to other types throughout the 1980's.

                      The Grisha II Corvette: 10 of these ships are still in service with the KGB border patrol with a distribution of two per Fleet. They survive in a 1 on 1D20.

                      The Grisha III Corvette: Of the 34 ships of this type built by 1987, 20 are left in Russian service. These ships keep the 57mm Cannon aft but add a 30mm CIWS. The Russians did consider upgrading these to Grisha V's but didn't have the money in real life. They are distributed throughout the 5 Fleets (4 ships per Fleet). They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (max 4).

                      The Grisha V Corvette: This is the most advanced version of the Grisha Class. It replaces the 57mm Cannon with the same 76mm rapid-fire Cannon on the Pauk and Tarantul Class Corvettes. There were 30 of these ships in service during the Twilight War and they are distributed at 6 per Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 and 4 hulls may survive.

                      The Pauk Class Corvette: Like the Grisha Class, the Pauk Class concentrates on the ASW mission. With 12 depth charges, 4 lightweight torpedo tubes, two RBU-1000 ASW rockets, a 30mm Gatling CIWS, SA-N-5 "grail" Launcher, a 76mm Cannon, and a towed sonar, it is well-equipped to perform that task. The Russians had 30 hulls (with 6 per Fleet) and they survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (4 max).

                      The Nanuchka Class Corvettes: This Corvette Class had FOUR generations. All of the Nanuchka I's were sold or upgraded to other versions. The Nanuchka II's were export only ships and not produced for Russia. The Nanuchka III's were updated II's with a 76mm Cannon and updated electronics. The Russians have 20 III's in service (with 4 per Fleet) and are building 1 per year even during the Twilight War. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. The fourth and final version of this class, the Nanuchka IV, was the sole version built. It is still in the Baltic Fleet as a test ship.

                      The Tarantul Class Corvettes: There were three main subclasses and one modification to class III. The Russians only retained TWO Tarantul I Corvettes for training foreign sailors. They finally adopted the Tarantul when the Tarantul II came out. The Russians still possess 13 of this model. The Tarantul III introduced the SS-N-22 and a better engine to the class. The Russians had 23 hulls in service during the Twilight War. The Tarantul III (mod) involved an electronics enhancement and Russia had built 11 such hulls before the Exchange. The various hulls are distributed between the 5 Fleets (8 per Fleet) with the extra hulls in the Caspian and Black Seas. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (6 max).

                      I'll try to post the subs tomorrow.

                      Swag.
                      Last edited by swaghauler; 05-31-2018, 08:28 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by swaghauler View Post
                        The Shershen Class Torpedo Boats: 85 such boats were built but the Soviet Union only had 30 left by the time of the Coup. These were another popular boat with poorer client States. Their initial armament in Russian service was TWO 14.5mm KPV machineguns (one fore and one aft in powered turrets) and FOUR 533mm (21") Heavy Torpedo Tubes. Some export models were equipped with lighter torpedos. The 30 remaining ships sold like hot cakes when the Russians upgraded the KPVs to Twin 37mm Autocannon in powered mounts.
                        Major Po and his band of merry murderers captured an operational Shershen (sans torpedo tubes) near Warsaw. IIRC it was the flagship of a river pirate fleet. The party fabricated limpet mines and the Navy SEAL PC attached them to the hulls of some of the other vessels, then they conducted a night-time raid as the mines went off and slaughtered the Shershen's crew.


                        They didn't have it for long. They failed to bluff their way past a WarPac unit garrisoning a bridge further down the Vistula and the Shershen was shot to pieces.
                        sigpic "It is better to be feared than loved" - Nicolo Machiavelli

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Targan View Post
                          Major Po and his band of merry murderers captured an operational Shershen (sans torpedo tubes) near Warsaw. IIRC it was the flagship of a river pirate fleet. The party fabricated limpet mines and the Navy SEAL PC attached them to the hulls of some of the other vessels, then they conducted a night-time raid as the mines went off and slaughtered the Shershen's crew.


                          They didn't have it for long. They failed to bluff their way past a WarPac unit garrisoning a bridge further down the Vistula and the Shershen was shot to pieces.
                          I see the smaller boats as being a lot of fun for the characters because they are easier to manage for the GM and don't carry the same level of "firepower" that larger ships do. I think that The 14 Cyclones (US), The 17 Archers (UK), and the Soviet "Corvettes" are all good ships because of their crew sizes (60 or less) and the fact that they can sail in the rivers and littorals where the players can interact with the local inhabitants.

                          The US also has the MK6 (26m/85ft, 4ft/1.2M Draft, 11-man crew) Patrol Boat and The River Command Boat (15m/48ft, 2ft 7"/0.8m Draft, 6-man crew) for those who are playing Merc or TW2K13.

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                          • #28
                            The Russian Subs

                            I'm sorry for the delay, I had issues this week.

                            The following list of subs were in service during the Twilight War.

                            Diesel-Electric Subs:

                            Whiskey Class Subs: The Russians kept 6 whiskey Class Subs for training purposes and sold the remaining 54 subs to various states and the South American Cartels (12 subs). The Whiskeys were a lucrative sales item for Russia (along with the Zulu, Quebec, and Golf Classes). They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            Romeo Class Subs: These were given to North Korea as a "bribe" to get NK to move against SK (along with other subs and promises of military aid). All 20 were in service with NK during the Twilight War.

                            Juliette Class Subs: These cruise missile subs were given to NK in order to "sweeten" the Russian deal for NK to invade and take SK (in order to "drive a wedge between the US & China" in the Twilight War). All 8 were transferred to NK along with a large number of missiles.

                            Kilo Class Subs: There were 22 original and 6 improved versions in this class. They are all still in service with Russia and survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10. There are 4 in each of the five Fleets with 5 original and 3 improved models in the Mediterranean and Baltic Fleets.

                            Tango Class Subs: All 18 Tangos are still in service with the Russian Fleets. There are 2 subs in both the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet. The other boats were distributed as follows: Baltic Sea Fleet (6), the Black Sea Fleet (4), and the Mediterranean Sea (4). They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            The SSBN's:

                            All of the Hotel Class, the 8 remaining Yankee Class (sold to China), the Delta I's, and II's (sold to India) and the Ecos and Charlies were either sold or scrapped to pay for the following subs.

                            The Delta Class SSBNs: The 14 Delta IIIs and the 7 Delta IVs are still in Russian service. They survive on a 1 on 1D10.

                            The Typhoon Class SSBNs: The 6 Typhoons are still in Russian service and survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            The Oscar Class SSBNs: while not technically an SSBN (they carry cruise missiles), the 2 base Oscars and 12 Oscar Mods are all still in service with Russia. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            All of these subs participated in The Exchange (delivering tactical warheads to US continental strategic targets).

                            The Nuclear Attack Subs:

                            There were 44 SSNs with 22 stationed in the Nothern Fleet and 22 stationed with the Pacific Fleet. They are used as long-range commerce raiders. The sole Mike Class sunk in 1989 and the November Class had been scrapped by 1990 (before the coup).

                            The Alfa Class SSN: The last Alfa was stationed with the Northern Fleet as a trainer. It survives on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            The Akula Class SSN: The Akula Is are split 3 to the Northern Fleet and 4 to the Pacific Fleet. The Akula IIs are split evenly 3 per Northern Fleet and 3 per Pacific Fleet. They survive on a 1 on 1D10.

                            The Sierra Class SSNs: The 2 Sierra I's are stationed with the Northern Fleet and the 2 Sierra IIs and singular Sierra III are stationed with the Pacific Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            Victor III Class SSNs: The Victors are split 13 to the Northern Fleet and 12 to the Pacific Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D10.

                            There are the dispositions of the Russians for an improvised V2.2 game. Please feel free to add any other ships to this thread.

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