Great Lakes vs Mississippi Usefullness

[rcaf_777]

I have done that basic research, thank you.

But really, if there is a General, of what unit There isn't anything in any ORBAT I have found that shows where USACE gets its people or how they are organized. Surely 8 people in New Orleans aren't doing all the work for that district

Do they use regular Army Engineers Are certain US ARMY engineering units assigned to support them or a district

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First of all of this information, you can find on the USACE website

The Corps in employs around 37,000 persons both military and civilian the military pers are from the engineer's branch. Now the number for units and breakdown of each vary. In USACE the districts are the smallest unit the number of persons in each district depending on the size and what the Corps operations in each district. As an example, the Corps operates the Clarence Cannon Dam on the Salt River at Monroe City, Missouri. So how people work at a power dam Also, The Mississippi Valley Divisions navigation responsibilities include planning and constructing navigation channels, locks and dams, and dredging to maintain channel depths of the harbours and inland waterways within its 370,000-square-mile boundary. The division operates and maintains 4,200+ miles of navigable channels, 62 locks, 51 shallow-draft ports and seven deep-draft ports. In partnership with local port authorities, District personnel oversee dredging and construction projects at numerous ports and harbours.

Now the Corps also has purely military units like the 249th Engineer Battalion (Prime Power) which provides commercial-level power to military units and federal relief organizations during operations. Additionally, the commander serves as the Commandant of the U.S. Army Prime Power School, the institution responsible for the development of Army and Navy power generation specialists. The organization is charged with the rapid provision of Army generators to support worldwide requirements.

The Corps also has a number of persons you deal with planning and construction of major public works project, this includes hydrological data capture and surveying operations.

[Olefin]

FYI one thing you have to keep in mind that in the timeline there would be at least two and possibly three steam fired coal ships still in operation on the Great Lakes

SS City of Midland 41 was a four thousand ton train ferry that in our real world was converted to a barge in late 1997 - but with the need for transport and the oil shortage most likely would have still been operational - and she operates on coal, not oil

SS Badger is still operating on the Great Lakes today - again a 4000 ton coal powered steam fired train ferry

SS Spartan was used as a parts ship for the other two - but might be able to be made functional

Those two (or three) ships would be hugely of use to either CivGov or MilGov - and are more than big enough to mount a decent amount of armament on them

and these are big ships - they had staterooms and other accommodations - they could haul 600 or more in comfort - and probably a lot more in less comfort - i.e. troops and their vehicles

Not sure if they have been discussed here before - they are home ported in Wisconsin and go back and forth to Michigan

[Vespers War]

FYI one thing you have to keep in mind that in the timeline there would be at least two and possibly three steam fired coal ships still in operation on the Great Lakes

SS City of Midland 41 was a four thousand ton train ferry that in our real world was converted to a barge in late 1997 - but with the need for transport and the oil shortage most likely would have still been operational - and she operates on coal, not oil

SS Badger is still operating on the Great Lakes today - again a 4000 ton coal powered steam fired train ferry

SS Spartan was used as a parts ship for the other two - but might be able to be made functional

Those two (or three) ships would be hugely of use to either CivGov or MilGov - and are more than big enough to mount a decent amount of armament on them

and these are big ships - they had staterooms and other accommodations - they could haul 600 or more in comfort - and probably a lot more in less comfort - i.e. troops and their vehicles

Not sure if they have been discussed here before - they are home ported in Wisconsin and go back and forth to Michigan

City of Midland 41's last voyage was in November 1988, though - she spent 9 years in dock before being converted to a barge. Depending on the level of preservation work done on her, she may have been unable to be economically returned to service well before she was converted to a barge.

That said, the Twilight War could have seriously changed how vessels were retired and brought back into service, so with that said, here are some other coal-powered vessels that theoretically could have been of use:

Another laid-up steam vessel is SS City of Milwaukee, a 2,942-ton car ferry that sailed from 1930-1982 and is preserved as a museum in Manistee with her steam engines intact.

There's also SS Milwaukee Clipper, a 4,272-ton car ferry preserved in Muskegon, which sailed 1904-1970 and has been a museum ship since 1977.

On the Canadian side of things, SS Keewatin is a 3,856-ton passenger and freight ship that operated 1907-1966 and is a museum ship at Port McNicoll, Ontario, but until 2011 she was at Douglas, Michigan.

One that's been scrapped but might have still been around in a T2K timeline is SS Chief Wawatam, the last hand-fed coal steamer on the lakes. A 2,990 ton train ferry and icebreaker, it sailed from 1911-1984, was converted to a barge in 1989, and scrapped in 2009. One of its triple-expansion engines is on display at the Wisconsin Maritime Museum in Manitowoc.

Finally, the two Detroit to Boblo Island ferries, SS Columbia and SS Ste. Claire, would also be potentially in use. They operated from 1902 and 1910 until 1991. They're much smaller (968 and 890 tons, respectively) and passenger-only, but could make for useful transports.

[swaghauler]

They have a fairly robust assortment of Coast Guard ships that are specially designed for use on the Great lakes. They include...

USCGC Alder 225ft Multipurpose Cutter.
USCGC Buckthorn 100ft Buoy Tender
USCGC Bramble 180ft WWII Buoy Tender
USCGC Mackinaw 240ft Heavy Icebreaker/Cutter

and no less than six 140ft Icebreaking Tugs:
USCGC Biscayne Bay
USCGC Bristol Bay
USCGC Katmai Bay
USCGC Mobile Bay
USCGC Morrow Bay
USCGC Neah Bay

Combined with the two dozen lake freighters (mostly bulk haulers), there is a lot of available shipping on the Great Lakes.

[Olefin]

and the coal powered steamers would still be working even if all the other vessels were sidelined due to lack of fuel - and given their size they could carry a pretty good amount of jury rigged armament without impacting their cargo and passenger capability

[rcaf_777]

This could happen too

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uss-little-rock-crew-embracing-being-stuck-in-montreal-1.4500966