Version 4 of the game

[Silent Hunter UK]

Just seen the news of this; be interesting to see how it goes...

[swaghauler]

I've reached out to Modiphius on behalf of Raellus, Olefin and myself with the aim of discussing our products and how they might tie into the new edition.
Hopefully they get back to me shortly and we can figure something out.

Noted this on their website:
Seems that they may not be all that friendly to new writers...

I guess that relegates me to posting my house rules here in the forum.

[swaghauler]

Fair point, and my feelings exactly, but I think those days are over, as far as market share goes. The notable exception would be Basic Roleplaying d100, which could make a decent, spiritual successor in terms of a system, to v1/2.2



Monk's truck is hit by an RPG! Everyone make a save vs. spells to dive out and take no damage!

Caught you! There is NO save versus Spells! That would be a DEX save and you'd better have Proficiency too!

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Caught you! There is NO save versus Spells! That would be a DEX save and you'd better have Proficiency too!

And with 5th Ed., Dex is the One Stat To Rule Them All so if Monk makes his Dex save he probably only takes half damage at worst.
Forget using the RPG on the truck, try using it on Monk with D&D rules - Monk's a Warrior class so he's got buckets of hitpoints. He could probably survive a direct hit to the torso with a PG-7 round because of this, even if he failed the Dex check.


Which is exactly the reason I don't like using rules from a fantasy game for any modern, military, sci-fi or near-future games.

[swaghauler]

And with 5th Ed., Dex is the One Stat To Rule Them All so if Monk makes his Dex save he probably only takes half damage at worst.
Forget using the RPG on the truck, try using it on Monk with D&D rules - Monk's a Warrior class so he's got buckets of hitpoints. He could probably survive a direct hit to the torso with a PG-7 round because of this, even if he failed the Dex check.


Which is exactly the reason I don't like using rules from a fantasy game for any modern, military, sci-fi or near-future games.

5e Is the ONLY RPG I have seen where a character can fall from low Earth orbit without a parachute, live, and be "fighting fit" the next day. It's kind of a joke to me. Give me RUNEQUEST's lethality any day!

Remember, it's NOT a real fight in BRP/RuneQuest if someone isn't suffering an amputation!

[vihkr]

>tanking RPG hits
>falling from LEO and surviving

Sounds like the perfect v5 ruleset /sarc

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I've reached out to Modiphius on behalf of Raellus, Olefin and myself with the aim of discussing our products and how they might tie into the new edition.
Hopefully they get back to me shortly and we can figure something out.

Noted this on their website:
Seems that they may not be all that friendly to new writers...

Let's consider the last "made" contributors were people who have since retired from the industry for the most part, who the hell do they think they are going to get.

Yeah, I am now quite concerned.

That said here is my POV, I am slowly writing my "Charters of Freedom" adventure. (and I do mean slowly...) but the fact is, Rae, Olefin, Leg, and maybe even me...(I only say that because we're published), could meet their standard, if they squint, but the fact remains I am not too impressed by that.

I guess that relegates me to posting my house rules here in the forum.

Compare that with the approach that Clockwork Publishing took when deciding to produce a 4th edition of Dark Conspiracy... they actively asked well known members of the Dark Conspiracy fanbase if they knew people who would like to contribute to the new edition (as well as asking them if they wished to contribute).

[Legbreaker]

Compare that with the approach that Clockwork Publishing took when deciding to produce a 4th edition of Dark Conspiracy... they actively asked well known members of the Dark Conspiracy fanbase if they knew people who would like to contribute to the new edition (as well as asking them if they wished to contribute).

And that is a great example of good marketing. They instantly gained a lot of happy and loyal customers. They didn't even need to use any of the submissions, just ask for them to make everyone feel like they were a part of the greater product.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

And that is a great example of good marketing. They instantly gained a lot of happy and loyal customers. They didn't even need to use any of the submissions, just ask for them to make everyone feel like they were a part of the greater product.

For sure. It's a smart move for exactly the reasons you mention. But they did go "all the way" so to speak and actually get some of those people involved.
People like Marcus Bone (who has been involved with ezines & a forum supporting the game as well as being part of the 2nd edition developers/writers), there's also Lee Williams (who has contributed to ezines as well as being part of the team behind the 3rd edition) are actively writing parts of the books such as character creation & development and updating equipment & gear lists and so on.

[Legbreaker]

It's good policy from a HR standpoint too. As you mentioned, a company can pick up good people at a minimal cost just by spreading the word through associated forums and the like.

We've got close to a thousand members in this forum alone, with what, about 50 or so active contributors per week give or take I know as fact that there are quite a number of talented people in just those who are active, and many, many different and relevant skill sets. It just makes sense to look in places such as this for contributions and feedback.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

One of the other benefits is that they picked up writers who had some passion for the project, people who were invested in the game, rather than just contracting someone to write articles for something they have little/no interest in.

[therantingsavant]

So I posted this on Steph's FB group but thought it might add to some of the discussion here...

Having written as a line author for an RPG company Id note than many require a Non-Disclosure Agreement about unreleased products but also authors we would spend time oelurking on forums etc (often being suspiciously quiet in retrospect) to get some idea of the mood and needs of the existing fan-base.

All that being said edition change is complex and particularly when it involves a licence change from one company (usually with its preferred system) to another (likewise with its preferred system) - thats just the nature of business but most successful edition changes do give some consideration to a one or two way oeconversion guide (often a free PDF) to draw on existing resources / fan base - the risk is affecting sales of subsequent supplements beyond the core rules, however a 2-way (back conversion eg v4 to v2.2 or v2013 even for T2k) can offset this in some cases.

[Jason Weiser]

Guys,
Heard back from Modiphius Entertainment....Here is the text of their note.

Hi Jason

Thanks for the email and reaching out. However, I've checked with the team and can confirm that we are not working on Twilight: 2000. Sorry we can't help on this occasion!

Shaun
Customer Support

Modiphius Entertainment

https://www.modiphius.com

www.facebook.com/modiphius

[vihkr]

Just to recap: we got news that Modiphius was working on T2K
Multi-post frenzy
>Modiphius is not working on T2K
Everything's normal here, just carry on.

[Olefin]

Ok so we know there is a version 4 being worked on, we know that Chris Lites is working on it (see multiple posts on Steph's Twilight 2000 facebook group) and that there will be an announcement on it in the fall and that Marc has confirmed that there will be a version 4

The inference that it would be Modiphius based on the fact that Chris works for them was not correct - a good educated guess but not correct based on the letter that Jason received

Thus we will have to see who it is when the announcement is made and if they are open to running it past people here on this forum at that time