AGIlity related question

[General Pain]

I just had a discussion with "the devil" and "FMDeCorba" and the question from me was basically:

How many handguns can a character wear (with straps etc) before it reduces Agility score

Characters are not encumbered.

[kato13]

As a GM i would say 4. Two underarms on ribs and two upper thighs. Any more and the straps or the weight of the weapon will start to measurably restrict or impede movement IMHO.

[copeab]

As a GM i would say 4. Two underarms on ribs and two upper thighs. Any more and the straps or the weight of the weapon will start to measurably restrict or impede movement IMHO.

The character might be able to add a couple of small pistols (eg, Walther PPK) in ankle holsters.

[kato13]

The character might be able to add a couple of small pistols (eg, Walther PPK) in ankle holsters.

Yeah I thought about that, but I know the General's penchant for double barreled sawed off (4 gauge) shotguns, so I assumed he would never even consider such peashooters

[General Pain]

Yeah I thought about that, but I know the General's penchant for double barreled sawed off (4 gauge) shotguns, so I assumed he would never even consider such peashooters

thanx for the confidence Kato...this gave me a laugh. I was actually asking as a GM and not player. But for the sake of argument; lets say we are talking about seperate "BULK"-values.

For example would a character with high AGIlity be able to carry more "BLK=1"-weapons that a character with low AGIlity

Would a possible solution be AGIlity divided by 2 be the amount of bulk a pc can carry Then what about BLK=0 wapons like small derringers

Feedback would be apreciated.

[kato13]

I would think that a characters physical size, and to a lesser extent strength, would more related to how many weapons they can carry than their agility. A small character with an unheard of agility (like an Olympic female gymnast) would have their agility restricted more than a professional NFL football player would with the same amount of weapons.

[Legbreaker]

How long is a peice of string
It depends a lot on the characters body size, weapon shape, as well as what they intend doing.
The larger the body, the more surface area.
The bulkier the weapon obviously the more surface area it will require - weapons with pistol grips are also likely to take more space than ones without (modern autmatic pistols compared with a sawn off shotgun or antique flintlock).
And as for what they're doing, crawling with equipment, weapons of otherwise basically requires little or nothing attached to the front of the body, legs, etc or it's going to be very difficult and uncomfortable.

I don't think there can be any hard and fast rule for how much, etc - it's always going to be a GMs call based on the above points and anything else relevant to the situation. Impact on the Agility stat itself is in my opinion, not the best reflection of the true effects.

[jester]

How about we look at it in a diferent view.

Lets consider the places a pistol can be worn practicaly for combat.

We have discussed the whole thigh rig. <which would make it impossible to wear a traditional belt rig and vice versa>

Belt rig either high, mid or low ride <see above and making it impossible to wear a thigh rig>

A high ride you may be able to wear a thigh rig, but it would interfere with an under the arm rig.

Under the arm/shoulder rig

Chest rig, these are usualy a cross draw afair.

Crossdraw rig on the very front of the pants,

2 places to wear a pistol in the small of the back, they have all maner of holsters that can allow this.

Something like a Glock 19 one could wear 8, this is silly though.

As for ankle holsters, nice and good concealment, but try running with one. They have backpocket and inside the pants holsters that fit much better and are more practical.

A set up I would preffer would be 3 standard issue pistols 1 as a primary in a thigh rig, another in a should or chest rig and 1 in a small of the back holster as the latter I can draw with either hand.

[headquarters]

agree

1 in a high ride belt or strapped to thigh- and one in shoulder/chest works fine .(but any and all gear interferes a bit compared to shorts and t-shirt as the optimum for agility and speed etc ) but question :

small of the back gun -what about bending over /arching back or rolling over -does it get in the way for stuff like lying on your back etc or is this negible.

As for a quick rule I would have to say that there needs to be one rule for light and agile short duration /agent type stuff and one for regular gear type jobs /infantry tasks .(meaning the full list /gear and ammo for a longer thing)

On my vest I can easily wear 2 handguns and 6 x30 rnd clips before having to add on other stuff like pouches etc .This can be expanded as I go along though - .But to remain agile ( to the extent that I am anyways ) less is definently more.

How about we look at it in a diferent view.

Lets consider the places a pistol can be worn practicaly for combat.

We have discussed the whole thigh rig. <which would make it impossible to wear a traditional belt rig and vice versa>

Belt rig either high, mid or low ride <see above and making it impossible to wear a thigh rig>

A high ride you may be able to wear a thigh rig, but it would interfere with an under the arm rig.

Under the arm/shoulder rig

Chest rig, these are usualy a cross draw afair.

Crossdraw rig on the very front of the pants,

2 places to wear a pistol in the small of the back, they have all maner of holsters that can allow this.

Something like a Glock 19 one could wear 8, this is silly though.

As for ankle holsters, nice and good concealment, but try running with one. They have backpocket and inside the pants holsters that fit much better and are more practical.

A set up I would preffer would be 3 standard issue pistols 1 as a primary in a thigh rig, another in a should or chest rig and 1 in a small of the back holster as the latter I can draw with either hand.

[Legbreaker]

Of course the whole idea is silly.

What's wrong with simply carrying extra mags Takes about as long to reload as it does to draw a weapon, and they're far, FAR lighter and less bulky.

[Krejcik]

agreed with the whole idea is silly.

Practically speaking why would you carry so many To look cool And are you going to be so trained to be able to manipulate all of those pistols and clips with such ease to draw them, reload, reload, reload, draw another, holster the previous, reload, etc, etc

If it's a John Woo thing, OK I get it. But if it's a twilight 2k thing I don't.

[TiggerCCW UK]

I have to agree with previous posters - why bother with multiple weapons when clips are easier to carry Personally I'd opt for one sidearm and a smaller backup weapon, preferrably using the same calibres.

[FMDeCorba]

agreed with the whole idea is silly.

Practically speaking why would you carry so many To look cool And are you going to be so trained to be able to manipulate all of those pistols and clips with such ease to draw them, reload, reload, reload, draw another, holster the previous, reload, etc, etc

If it's a John Woo thing, OK I get it. But if it's a twilight 2k thing I don't.

Thank you! I play with these jokers(Devil & Pain), and frankly, people can have very differing ideas of "realism".

[General Pain]

Loooooooooooooool

Thank you! I play with these jokers(Devil & Pain), and frankly, people can have very differing ideas of "realism".

ahh realism.....I remember your character digging out a derringer hidden where the sun don shine ...in melee combat. Very realistic.

[headquarters]

rules of firefights

-preferably bring more than one gun - rule number ..I cant remember..

different schools of thought I guess.If I knew I was going to one I would bring more than one gun if I could. ( Shooting both at the same time is for John Woo )

What kind of guns is a the second part of the question .

But I can see how it is useful to for instance cover people with two guns instead of one ,however I can also see how in RL its silly .

But it is a game -as a GM I say

half STR if firing two simultaneously and no aimed shots with the secondary or whilst operating the number 2 gun .Also target selection have to follow a co-axial principle ( no targeting people further apart than 4 meters -depending )

No saying NO -just give penalties as the general say .As far as his twin 10 gage sawed of dbl barreleds go (slug/buck in either barrel and rigged to go off at one pull of the trigger ) - not many other players mess with him .And as you know -there is no coming back from that one.

Guys ,enough with the gun up the ass jokes-after re reading the map he did grasp the meaning of "he is charging you with a machete from 10 meters away2 and zipped his pants up again without ACTUALLY committing to the combat-cavity extraction of gun procedure he first tried to persuade me that was the correct choice in that -or for that matter -any such situation ).I did however ,not let him get off such use of a mulligan without a penalty -he started his phase in the squatting position .