The other entities in the MilGov and CivGov split

[Southernap]

This is partly driven by my own professional interest, but one set of agencies I see missing in this inventory is the Federal Emergency Management Agency and its state/territorial counterparts. FEMA would have owned the national civil defense mission and a large chunk of continuity of government measures, and it and the state agencies would have tried to coordinate relief for the cities that came under nuclear attack.

- C.

I wasn't really looking at FEMA since I was thinking more along the lines of where all the executive departments would have filtered. In addition doing some reading on something else related to the intelligence agencies of the US, just how many branches of the Executive Department had their own intelligence bureaus/branches.

I was just thinking of how many of them would still be trying to do work some where or some how. Add in the number that had law enforcement branches. I just thought of how many could be regional power or even be places where they are either marauders or some major power in a region (even if they are the power in charge in some city).

I know there are some other agencies that don't have executive branch representation in the Cabinet but are part of the government and would be important. It would be fun to try and parse some of those out in another thread.

To sum up today's discussion, I don't think there's any set answer. I think which direction a particular field office/branch goes depends on the alignment of the parent fed'l agency, the predominant local/regional faction, and whether or not there's a common enemy in the area.

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I wasn't sure if was a good answer one way or another. Just trying to come up with something to help me think about what the rest of the government is doing when the split happens.

[Olefin]

I wasn't really looking at FEMA since I was thinking more along the lines of where all the executive departments would have filtered. In addition doing some reading on something else related to the intelligence agencies of the US, just how many branches of the Executive Department had their own intelligence bureaus/branches.

I was just thinking of how many of them would still be trying to do work some where or some how. Add in the number that had law enforcement branches. I just thought of how many could be regional power or even be places where they are either marauders or some major power in a region (even if they are the power in charge in some city).

I know there are some other agencies that don't have executive branch representation in the Cabinet but are part of the government and would be important. It would be fun to try and parse some of those out in another thread.


I wasn't sure if was a good answer one way or another. Just trying to come up with something to help me think about what the rest of the government is doing when the split happens.

FEMA is in the list I posted but since Tegyrius has me blocked he couldnt see the link that I posted. They are a large agency but only have 84 total uniformed armed enforcement officers (at least they did in 2008) - one of the smallest contingents for such a large agency. But that doesnt take away from their ability to coordinate aid on a large scale even if their enforcement/armed contingent is small.

[rcaf_777]

A lot of federal agencies have tactical (i.e. SWAT) teams nowadays (e.g. NASA, Amtrack). I'm not sure if any of these would have existed in the v1 or 2 timelines

to quote Audit of Federal Tactical Teams Report

"The earliest that any responding agencies reported establishing their tactical teams was 1971 (the USMS Special Operations Group and the Secret Service Counter Sniper Branch). The majority of tactical teams (232 of the 271) were established prior to 1990 (see Table B-5). It was reported that the 39 remaining tactical teams were founded in 1996 or later; two-thirds of these were DHS tactical teams. The most recently established tactical teams are all a part of DHS.42ICE established 11 of its 17 Homeland Security Investigation SRTs and all 8of its Enforcement and Removal Operations SRTs between 2005 and 2013. CBP established its Office of Field Operations SRT in 2007.

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-20-710