Cascadia vs. Opponents

[Tegyrius]

I await your review.

My comments in here are just my random utterings as the author. No plan (at this time) to compile them.

- C.

[Olefin]

OK, you just made a little money.

Is what you are writing on this thread excerpts, or new supplemental material

I loved the Pacific Northwest - would love to tell that to Teg but since he has me on ignore my opinion doesnt matter much to him - but it really shows what can be produced by the members of this board.

[Tegyrius]

Okay, I'm back at my big boy keyboard now.

@Paul - To more fully answer your question, these are my comments on Enfield's use of the sourcebook, not excerpts from the published work. I don't really have much in the way of cut material and I'm not working on anything supplemental at present. One of the advantages of not working under contract was the opportunity to indulge my tendency to overwrite (but I think the work as a whole is fairly solid, without too much in the way of word count padding).

@CDAT - Sorry I missed your comment this morning. I will admit to not doing too much with YTC. It did get a brief mention and there's some additional implied plot connected to it (including the presence elsewhere of some stranded JSDF exchange officers and the remnants of their own training equipment).

@Enfield - Thank you. I did see your other thread but I've been mostly staying out of it because of the rapid divergence into agricultural details on which I am not qualified to comment. I did weigh in on the moral ambiguity of the Cascadian/Proconsular agenda. The movement is designed to be morally-ambiguous and thought-provoking, as they hold a strategic vision that's rare among factions in GDW's work.

At any rate - I am intrigued by your campaign concept and await reports from the field!

(I will be ecstatic if anyone winds up running a White Bats campaign.)

- C.

[shrike6]

I like what I see so far. The only thing I would have done different is add a eco terrorist group/community that believes the Twilight war is Gaia/Mother Natures ultimate revenge on humanity. Eventually expanding out and coming into contact with Cascadia and letting the fur fly so speak. thats my taste though. Kudos to the author, good stuff.

[Olefin]

I like what I see so far. The only thing I would have done different is add a eco terrorist group/community that believes the Twilight war is Gaia/Mother Natures ultimate revenge on humanity. Eventually expanding out and coming into contact with Cascadia and letting the fur fly so speak. thats my taste though. Kudos to the author, good stuff.

Now thats a good idea

[Tegyrius]

I like what I see so far. The only thing I would have done different is add a eco terrorist group/community that believes the Twilight war is Gaia/Mother Natures ultimate revenge on humanity. Eventually expanding out and coming into contact with Cascadia and letting the fur fly so speak. thats my taste though. Kudos to the author, good stuff.

Thank you, Shrike!

I think that's a solid idea and would work well for any blank spot on the map that needs a minor adversary to create friction. Just about any community in the region could have been taken over by such a group, so it's very easy to put it wherever the campaign requires. Ecoterrorist tactics and motivations may come out of left field for PCs accustomed to fighting in a conventional war and its aftermath, so it's an interesting challenge.

- C.

[Olefin]

Example could be the real life Earth Liberation Front which was active in the Pacific Northwest in the late 90's

Fox News story from 2008

https://www.foxnews.com/story/fbi-eco-terrorism-remains-no-1-domestic-terror-threat

More details here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

[Enfield]

@Enfield - Thank you. I did see your other thread but I've been mostly staying out of it because of the rapid divergence into agricultural details on which I am not qualified to comment. I did weigh in on the moral ambiguity of the Cascadian/Proconsular agenda. The movement is designed to be morally-ambiguous and thought-provoking, as they hold a strategic vision that's rare among factions in GDW's work.

At any rate - I am intrigued by your campaign concept and await reports from the field!

(I will be ecstatic if anyone winds up running a White Bats campaign.)

- C.

Funnily enough, the PC group are rather morally ambiguous. In fact the one former politician in the group is secretly a downright sociopath (everyone in the group has a Dark Secret they are keeping from others) but also honestly believes that he is an excellent leader for society. Because he was in the prewar state government he has rejected Milgov as having usurped authority, but recognizes that Civgov is too weak to challenge Milgov, especially in the Pacific Northwest.

The other leader type is a former professional baseball player who has brought the drive, aggression, and tactical thinking he formerly used to build the local militia and gather like minded individuals together. He just...likes the Proconsul. I didn't even plan it that way. His mantra is "The Proconsul is like the Governor...but better." The player is playing him as someone who sees the treason as being the other way around--Milgov betrayed the Proconsul.

White Bats...my next campaign, if there is one, would be focused more on British Columbia. Who knows Maybe my group will end up up there for some reason, maybe, if they are very successful, as diplomats, traders or intelligence gatherers for the Proconsular forces.

[shrike6]

Thank you, Shrike!

I think that's a solid idea and would work well for any blank spot on the map that needs a minor adversary to create friction. Just about any community in the region could have been taken over by such a group, so it's very easy to put it wherever the campaign requires. Ecoterrorist tactics and motivations may come out of left field for PCs accustomed to fighting in a conventional war and its aftermath, so it's an interesting challenge.

- C.

I dont know Oregon that well. But you could even use a State/national Park/Forest in the area for their "community" living off the land there like gaia would want. There is alot of flexibility with the concept.

[Enfield]

I dont know Oregon that well. But you could even use a State/national Park/Forest in the area for their "community" living off the land there like gaia would want. There is alot of flexibility with the concept.

A twist on this is a group that thinks that the collapse of civilization is GOOD, and wants to reduce humanity to village/family group levels to save Gaia. They might strike against anyone trying to rebuild, perhaps infiltrate them for that purpose even.

[shrike6]

A twist on this is a group that thinks that the collapse of civilization is GOOD, and wants to reduce humanity to village/family group levels to save Gaia. They might strike against anyone trying to rebuild, perhaps infiltrate them for that purpose even.

Like I said flexible. Any flavor works. This one is good too.

[pmulcahy11b]

A twist on this is a group that thinks that the collapse of civilization is GOOD, and wants to reduce humanity to village/family group levels to save Gaia. They might strike against anyone trying to rebuild, perhaps infiltrate them for that purpose even.

And is centered around those Guidestones in Georgia...

[CDAT]

Example could be the real life Earth Liberation Front which was active in the Pacific Northwest in the late 90s

Fox News story from 2008

https://www.foxnews.com/story/fbi-eco-terrorism-remains-no-1-domestic-terror-threat

More details here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

Now first off want to say I have not got the book yet (waiting for payday), but one thing to remember about the Pacific Northwest is that you have two VERY DIFFERENT cultures on the two sides of the mountain. Eco terrorism is not likely to come from eastern WA, much more likely from Western side, I am sad to say the eastern side is more likely to have terrorism like sovereign citizens. Western side is much more Liberal, Eastern side is much more Conservative (with very strong leaning to Libertarian).

Also the dry side (my home town got on average 0.2 inches of rain a year) compared to the average for Western WA of 66.03 inches. So anything you think you know from TV/Movies is almost 100% wrong when it comes to Eastern Washington (or if we can ever split the state Cascadia).

Now yes these are generalizations, and only one man's view, but on growing up on the Eastern side, joining the army serving both at YTC and Fort Lewis, later federal Security/Law Enforcement again on both sides of the state.

[Enfield]

Now first off want to say I have not got the book yet (waiting for payday), but one thing to remember about the Pacific Northwest is that you have two VERY DIFFERENT cultures on the two sides of the mountain. Eco terrorism is not likely to come from eastern WA, much more likely from Western side, I am sad to say the eastern side is more likely to have terrorism like sovereign citizens. Western side is much more Liberal, Eastern side is much more Conservative (with very strong leaning to Libertarian).

Also the dry side (my home town got on average 0.2 inches of rain a year) compared to the average for Western WA of 66.03 inches. So anything you think you know from TV/Movies is almost 100% wrong when it comes to Eastern Washington (or if we can ever split the state Cascadia).

Now yes these are generalizations, and only one man's view, but on growing up on the Eastern side, joining the army serving both at YTC and Fort Lewis, later federal Security/Law Enforcement again on both sides of the state.

Obviously this is where you live. My research and talking to people who live in the state corroborates this. I'm depicting the supporters of Cascadia in the east as being conservative libertarians for the most part.