Picking the 173rd for being in Romania flew in the face of multiple posts over the course of years by the multiple canon module writer who created the idea of the 173rd as part of the T2K canon. He made it clear over and over - and ignoring that fact is not how you come up with a new module or sourcebook. Especially when one of the writers of the Romania book had an extensive article in one of the fanzines about the 173rd being in Kenya.
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Originally posted by pmulcahy11b View PostBasically, I'll do what I always do -- read, modify, mine.
Swag.
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Couldn't we find Tegyrius an equivalent RL, NG, Reserve, or (presently) Inactive unit that could be slotted into the module in an update Tegyrius, would you be amenable to thatI'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
Entirely too much T2K stuff here: www.pmulcahy.com
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Gentlemen, I apologize for the derail you had to endure to get to actual productive discussion of the book. I thank you for your patience, and our host for his intervention.
Originally posted by VCDR View PostI purchased the sourcebook earlier and I am extremely impressed with the product. As an FS-01 career member of the United States Foreign Service, I found the U.S. State Department chapter accurate and well-researched. Kudos to the authors.
Originally posted by Bulldog1972 View PostBought it this morning & found out that the ToC was hyperlinked by accident.
Originally posted by swaghauler View PostMe too. By the way guys, IF I post something in this forum, please feel free to use it or modify it as you see fit. The only thing I ask is that if you post it to another website, you note it was my work so someone doesn't come back and accuse me of plagiarizing my own stuff. And yes, this has happened to me in a Runequest forum.
(On the other hand, when I was on the Spycraft design team, someone applied to join the team and plagiarized my own fan work for their "writing sample" submission. That was a different kind of fun.)
Originally posted by pmulcahy11b View PostCouldn't we find Tegyrius an equivalent RL, NG, Reserve, or (presently) Inactive unit that could be slotted into the module in an update Tegyrius, would you be amenable to that
Additionally, this book is explicitly for first edition. Olefin's work is for second edition, as he takes great pains to point out whenever the issue of canon status comes up. One of the points of having different editions is that there can be... differences. (The first edition canon of the RDF Sourcebook suggests that the 173rd wouldn't be in Africa to secure a refinery complex anyway, as it clearly states that there are multiple functioning refineries in the RDF AO. So I see no factual conflict between our 1e non-canon sourcebook and someone else's 2e material.) If we're going to go there, we may as well pick another country because of how second edition's East Europe Sourcebook handles Romania.
- C.Last edited by Tegyrius; 02-25-2022, 05:30 AM.Clayton A. Oliver • Occasional RPG Freelancer Since 1996
Author of The Pacific Northwest, coauthor of Tara Romaneasca, creator of several other free Twilight: 2000 and Twilight: 2013 resources, and curator of an intermittent gaming blog.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't.
- Josh Olson
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Oh, no, that was no accident. The ToC is hyperlinked deliberately.
My apologies! I didn't mean that it was hyperlinked accidentally. I DISCOVERED it accidentally. Clicked the mouse button while eating my breakfast, actually. Suddenly went to the page for one of the vehicles & I was surprised.
Extremely handy feature, thanks for adding that.
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Nah, I knew what you meant, but I entertain myself by abusing the language.
I will try to figure out how to add bookmarks to the PDF, though (and if I do, I'll go back and do the same in Pacific Northwest). That's a usability feature I do feel bad for not including.
- C.Clayton A. Oliver • Occasional RPG Freelancer Since 1996
Author of The Pacific Northwest, coauthor of Tara Romaneasca, creator of several other free Twilight: 2000 and Twilight: 2013 resources, and curator of an intermittent gaming blog.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't.
- Josh Olson
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Individual referees are certainly free to change any detail of the setting to match their personal visions of the Twilight: 2000 universe or to better meet their tables' needs. However, as this product's creators, Raellus and I do not intend to rewrite it. We look forward to hearing about the stories people tell with the toolkit we've created.
- C.Clayton A. Oliver • Occasional RPG Freelancer Since 1996
Author of The Pacific Northwest, coauthor of Tara Romaneasca, creator of several other free Twilight: 2000 and Twilight: 2013 resources, and curator of an intermittent gaming blog.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't.
- Josh Olson
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Originally posted by Tegyrius View PostIndividual referees are certainly free to change any detail of the setting to match their personal visions of the Twilight: 2000 universe or to better meet their tables needs. However, as this products creators, Raellus and I do not intend to rewrite it. We look forward to hearing about the stories people tell with the toolkit weve created.
- C.
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Alternative Americans
One of the main reasons we chose the 173rd Airborne for the Romania Sourcebook is that it aligned so well with the v1 timeline, assuming the unit was based in Italy, as it was IRL. Italy's rapidly souring relationship with NATO and Romania's declaring for NATO line up almost perfectly. If the 173rd is in Italy at the time (December, 1996), it makes temporal, spacial, and logistical sense for it to be sent there.
Second, we wanted an "elite-light" unit, nothing too big or hard to move via air (as Romania is landlocked), for the US contingent.
For Refs who'd rather not use the 173rd, for whatever reason, here are a few suggested alternatives. These are units that would likely be reactivated in the event of WWIII. AFAIK, none are mentioned in canon, but all existed, at one point or another, IRL.
36th Airborne Brigade
71st Airborne Brigade
Or, for Refs who want a slightly larger US presence in Romania, there's...
11th Airborne Division
13th Airborne Division
-Last edited by Raellus; 02-24-2022, 03:50 PM.Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/...-waters-module
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Welcome, Drgonzo, and thank you! I think I can speak for Tegyrius in saying that we really appreciate it. If you're interested, I've also written a sourcebook for Korea (link in my sig).
-Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/...-waters-module
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Originally posted by .45cultist View PostAs with "Pacific Northwest", I find stuff for T2K and DC already!
Originally posted by Raellus View PostWe might be able to add that feature [Tegyrius edit: bookmarks] to a product update- one of the benefits of the PDF format (DriveThru automatically provides customers free updates if the product is modified).
- C.Clayton A. Oliver • Occasional RPG Freelancer Since 1996
Author of The Pacific Northwest, coauthor of Tara Romaneasca, creator of several other free Twilight: 2000 and Twilight: 2013 resources, and curator of an intermittent gaming blog.
It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't.
- Josh Olson
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