My campaigns wartime platoon reorganization...

[pmulcahy11b]

By 2000 there would be many Draftees who entered service as late as 1998 who would be now would be NCO.

It would be hit-or-miss. The bulk would get "normal" promotions and still be PV2-SPC, while some, due to combat conditions, might be Junior NCOs or even Senior NCOs and Junior to Middle rank officers. Those would be rare. They'd be rarer among new formations and militia forces raised from the local populace.

[pmulcahy11b]

In wartime they are very particular to make sure enlisted personnel get their regular promotions, and IIRC after one year in service in enlisted you were E-3 and after 2 years you should be E-4. As long as there weren't other circumstances that would prevent.

One thing about the military it would take them awhile even after 1998 to realize that re-inforcement wouldn't be on the way. Most commanders would want their enlisted, if killed to be of the rank they had earned.

Just by dint of having a college degree and doing a good job, I came in as a PFC and got SPC after four months. SGT took about 3 years more, though I could have been eligible as soon as one year if I hadn't pissed so many people off.

If you are killed in combat, your corpse is generally promoted one rank before they put you in the ground.

[natehale1971]

I really hadn't thought of that... I was trying to capture the feel how it was during the second world war with soldiers who had remained PV2 from the moment they hit the beach at D-Day to V-E day. I like the fact that if you're killed in combat they automaticly promote you one paygrade before you're buried.

It makes me think about how the wartime moturay affairs would be taken care of.

Anyone here know anything about that subject

[Rainbow Six]

It makes me think about how the wartime moturay affairs would be taken care of.

I think a unit would ensure that its dead are recovered were buried wherever possible. Such burials would most likely have to take place close to where the soldier fell, and it may not be pratical to mark the grave in any way if the unit is in hostile territory, but presumably someone in the unit would take a note of the location as best as they could in the event that the remains could be repatriated at some future date (Such a repatriation mission could form the basis of a campaign...). In our campaigns the unit's leader always carried the dog tags of the fallen.

Enemy dead are another matter...presumably if you have dead enemies near your base you will want to dispose of them to avoid the spread of disease... fuel and wood and such like would presumably be too valuable to waste burning dead enemy combatants, so I would imagine they would end up in mass graves, dug by prisoners, civilians, or if neccessary the PC's themselves (I'd imagine a common theme with captured marauders would be to hand them a shovel so they could dig a pit big enough for their dead buddies plus themselves).

Dead enemies in the middle of nowhere where the spread of disease is not an immediate concern could presumably be left for the birds / animals after they were stripped of anything useful.

Of course, in extreme situations, dead bodies could be used as a source of food...enemies first, but in absolutely desparate circumstances the bodies of allies could also be eaten (a la Alive)

[Targan]

As if T2K wasn't a depresing enough environment to roleplay in, the PCs in some campaigns like to engage in behaviours that I usually avoid in my characters (on the rare opportunities that I get to play rather than GM). The PCs in Headquarters' campaign clearly like to dally with (or perhaps whole-heartedly embrace) 'the dark side' and the same goes for my campaign.

When it comes to dealing with the corpses of enemies or just strangers Major Po and his troupe of professional war criminals like to leave messages for other passers by. Just leaving the looted and semi naked bodies lying in the mud is fairly standard. Posing corpses at the site of a firefight to paint a different picture to what actually happened would also be a pretty common sort of activity, as would allowing some of Po's more detached and brutal underlings to do a little creative mutilation. Other fun choices have in the past included deliberately contaminating water sources with bodies, booby trapping corpses and using corpses to pretend that live hostages have been taken.

It would be a rare occasion indeed for Po's unit to give fallen enemy combatants a decent burial or funeral pyre.

[Abbott Shaull]

I really hadn't thought of that... I was trying to capture the feel how it was during the second world war with soldiers who had remained PV2 from the moment they hit the beach at D-Day to V-E day. I like the fact that if you're killed in combat they automaticly promote you one paygrade before you're buried.

It makes me think about how the wartime moturay affairs would be taken care of.

Anyone here know anything about that subject

Yes they had steady stream of replacements, and back then there wasn't set in stone rules when people moved up from Private. Also before the end of the Vietnam War there were several more Specialist/Technical ranks which were throw back to previous times. Many times these people where promoted to E-4 to E-7 and didn't hold down a command position, the add rank was way to recognize the held a senior position, yet not give the command authority. Even much like when I was in the 82nd with Specialist, they could 'temporarily' be in leadership positions, this depended from MOS and unit to unit.

[Eddie]

Bear in mind, promotions in Iraq right now are ungodly fast and there isn't a shortage of bodies coming into theater (by comparison to the Twilight War). I personally had one of my Corporals make Staff Sergeant in 10 months. That's right. E4 >> E5 >> E6 in a 10-month span. And he didn't die.

[Eddie]

It makes me think about how the wartime moturay affairs would be taken care of.

Anyone here know anything about that subject

Unfortunately. What are your questions

[natehale1971]

Unfortunately. What are your questions

Well, i'm not sure.. But during an actual wartime experience how would mourtury affairs be handled would there be actual detachments assigned to smaller commands to keep track of where soldiers have fallen, attempt to reacquire the dead so they could be placed in the resting places they deserve.

I had thought of mortuary affairs sections found in battalions, but have no idea how they are organized or even how they carry out their operations.

[Eddie]

Mortuary Affairs are not at BN-level. They're at BDE- or higher-level. It falls on the unit in contact to recover any bodies or remains. If you can't, then unfortunately, there is nothing that is going to be done anytime soon. There is a POW/MIA detachment in Hawaii that deals exclusively with recovering remains, but they typically go back years later and identify via DNA.

Also, I'd really look at your reorganization of platoons above. It's very inflexible and as an Infantry platoon leader, would severely degrade my ability to engage and maneuver on an enemy.

The nine-man squad format is the most ideal configuration for a Squad. If you want want to include gun teams, then add them as attachments. In Ranger Infantry units (and some other Airborne units), the 9-man squad gets a 3-man gun team assigned to them under that squad leader's control (3 Rifle squads and 1 Weapons Squad of 3 gun teams). Stryker Infantry is similar in a 9-man squad and a 2-man vehicle crew (with a .50 cal or a MK-19). Even a Mechanized Infantry platoon still uses 9-man squads, even if they have to break that squad up amongst multiple vehicles.

[Abbott Shaull]

Bear in mind, promotions in Iraq right now are ungodly fast and there isn't a shortage of bodies coming into theater (by comparison to the Twilight War). I personally had one of my Corporals make Staff Sergeant in 10 months. That's right. E4 >> E5 >> E6 in a 10-month span. And he didn't die.

Me and buddy were talking about that. It nothing for Infantryman to make Sergeant in under two years now, with the rotations for many of the Infantry Brigades. One good thing about combat is that the ones, who are squared away in the field, do shine and get their promotion which to me is good thing.

Seen too many garrison super troops get promotion, which if you are show unit is nice. Yet, passing junk on the bunk and what not mickey mouse stuff one does in garrison will not keep you alive in the field.

When I was in 20 year ago it was 1000 points to make E-5, now it like 350. Also back then if you were lucky you could make E-5 in a 4 year hitch. Now you can make it with year or so out of Basic and AIT in infantry. Then again I remember recent E-6 who was promoted and the other E-7/E-8 were talking about how quickly the guy made Staff Sergeant, in like 6-7 years.

Also the influx of bodies also helps one get promotions up the ladder too.

[natehale1971]

Mortuary Affairs are not at BN-level. They're at BDE- or higher-level. It falls on the unit in contact to recover any bodies or remains. If you can't, then unfortunately, there is nothing that is going to be done anytime soon. There is a POW/MIA detachment in Hawaii that deals exclusively with recovering remains, but they typically go back years later and identify via DNA.

Also, I'd really look at your reorganization of platoons above. It's very inflexible and as an Infantry platoon leader, would severely degrade my ability to engage and maneuver on an enemy.

The nine-man squad format is the most ideal configuration for a Squad. If you want want to include gun teams, then add them as attachments. In Ranger Infantry units (and some other Airborne units), the 9-man squad gets a 3-man gun team assigned to them under that squad leader's control (3 Rifle squads and 1 Weapons Squad of 3 gun teams). Stryker Infantry is similar in a 9-man squad and a 2-man vehicle crew (with a .50 cal or a MK-19). Even a Mechanized Infantry platoon still uses 9-man squads, even if they have to break that squad up amongst multiple vehicles.

i'll add an additional fireteam to each section... i had through that the section leader, medic, RTO, desingated marksman and forward observer could act easliy as a fireteam. i didn't realize that wasn't possible. But thank you for lettnig me know... i'll take care of that asap!

I was wondering how to set up the platoon Vehicle Section... Do you have recommendations for how many vehicles they would have be it HMMWV and 2 1/2-ton trucks or even surviving BIFV or even an M1A2 Abrams i kind of was thinking that they would try to put a tank company with every infantry battalion... but i'm not sure...

[bigehauser]

I really hadn't thought of that... I was trying to capture the feel how it was during the second world war with soldiers who had remained PV2 from the moment they hit the beach at D-Day to V-E day. I like the fact that if you're killed in combat they automaticly promote you one paygrade before you're buried.

It makes me think about how the wartime moturay affairs would be taken care of.

Anyone here know anything about that subject

Take note the rank structureof the US Army during WWII. There was no PV2:
Private
Private First Class
Corporal
Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
Technical Sergeant
Master Sergeant
First Sergeant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_enlisted_rank_insignia_of_World_War_II

[pmulcahy11b]

I took just a quick look at your previous link, but it led me to a link that's absolute gold:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and_insignia_of_NATO_armies_enlisted

[pmulcahy11b]

i'll add an additional fireteam to each section... i had through that the section leader, medic, RTO, desingated marksman and forward observer could act easliy as a fireteam. i didn't realize that wasn't possible. But thank you for lettnig me know... i'll take care of that asap!

The section leader (as you put it; the more correct term is squad leader -- sections as units are primarily used in heavy mortar platoons and for add-ons like machinegun teams) is basically just another part of the squad; he sort of moves between the fireteams as needed). The RTO is also just another squad member, usually one of the riflemen. The designated marksman is also just part of the squad, typically the rifleman who is the best shot in the squad. Medics are farmed out from the BN Aid Station; if a platoon expects to see heavy action, they may have as many as three; but they are generally some of the hardest-working troops in the battalion when in combat, as there are more squads in a rifle battalion then medics. Having a real FIST (FO team) with you is a luxury in practice; you're more likely to have one or more of the platoon members (usually the platoon sergeants and platoon leaders) who know how to call for fire. If you have a platoon member who knows how to properly direct an air strike or naval gunfire, you've really lucked out.