Map of CONUS Nuke strikes.

[kato13]

As Part of my ongoing mapping work I have played around a little with several options for mapping nuclear strikes.

I have created 3 versions of a map of the Ver 2.2 canon strikes. I am not totally happy with the strike radii math, so it will probably change as I move forward. Hope you guys find them useful.

Small (862x471 49KB)


Medium (1359x807 98KB)

http://games.juhlin.com/files/nuke_strike_conus_med.jpg

Large (2650x1450 284KB)

http://games.juhlin.com/files/nuke_strike_conus_lrg.jpg

[Benjamin]

Very cool. Is there anyway to add the Canadian strikes that are visible on the map

And I'm pretty sure that the CONUS strategic target list in V2 is the same as the list from V1. I'll double check on that using the Challenge article and Howling Wilderness.

Benjamin

[kato13]

If someone provides me with any canon strike lists (Canada, USSR, UK, etc) I can add those points and map them. I know I have them somewhere but coding is more fun than digging through files . Additional strikes are easy it is just a matter of adding new long/lat points to the database along with a warhead size.

Eventually this will all be added to my gaming maps system, but I still have a lot of work to do on the difference between overpressure and heat radii, and ground versus airburst.

[Benjamin]

I have my scanner up and running now and so I can get you the lists as per V1 or V2. All you need to do is send me an email and I'll reply in a bit with pdfs.

I'm pretty sure V1 and V2 hit lists are the same so either one should suffice.

Benjamin

[kato13]

I have my scanner up and running now and so I can get you the lists as per V1 or V2. All you need to do is send me an email and I'll reply in a bit with pdfs.

I'm pretty sure V1 and V2 hit lists are the same so either one should suffice.

Benjamin

If you can point me to book name and page numbers that should be enough.

[Benjamin]

After reading over them, I can say that the Hit Lists for V1 and V2 are essentially the same.

Since you're using V2.2 "the Big Yellow Book" I'll give you those page numbers.

British Nuclear Targets, page 226 (This lists only cities not what was actually targeted.)

US Nuclear Targets, page 235 (I actually typed this out before remembering that there's a good chance you already had this list.)

Canadian Nuclear Targets, page 236. (Like the US target list this only includes major strategic targets, not the smaller tactical warheads.)

U.S.S.R. Nuclear Targets, page 239. (Other than a few spelling differences this is the same list that originally appeared in Challenge #33.)

Hope this makes the endeavor a bit easier.

Benjamin

[kato13]

Thanks for the data. I have my hands full with over 2200 warheads hitting the US for the Morrow Project version of the map. I'll dig into the Canadian and UK ones pretty quick. The Russian ones might have to wait as I am sure geocoding them (determining long/lat) will be made more difficult by language differences.

If a warhead size is not listed I will just make it 500kt.

[kato13]

Added a map to the British targets here British Nuclear Targets Map. I did not go with only 500kt for the British targets. I threw in a few 750 and 1MT for larger cities.

Canada and the USSR are going to take longer due to the size of the maps. A curse on Flemish geographer and cartographer Gerardus Mercator and his dammed projections.

[pmulcahy11b]

The thing that confuses me about the V1/2/2.2 target map and Red Star, Lone Star is that on the game target map, Randolph AFB (on the north side of San Antonio) has been nuked. In Red Star, Lone Star, Randolph is intact, as is most of San Antonio. Logically, Randolph AFB, Kelly AFB, Ft Sam Houston, and San Antonio International Airport were all secondary or tertiary targets, and they probably all have been nuked.

Randolph AFB is Air Training Command, and has nice, big runways and great repair facilities. It was a secondary target for the Russians. Kelly AFB and San Antonio International Airport were secondary targets because they have runways that can handle heavy bombers and were SAC dispersal bases; Kelly also had repair facilities for heavy US aircraft. Ft. Sam Houston, in the T2K timeline, was home to 8th Army as well as MEDDAC (US Army Medical Command). It was a tertiary target.

Personally, I prefer San Antonio to be intact, but I may have a bias...

[Fusilier]

Logically, Randolph AFB, Kelly AFB, Ft Sam Houston, and San Antonio International Airport were all secondary or tertiary targets, and they probably all have been nuked.

Personally, I prefer San Antonio to be intact, but I may have a bias...

But its also true that there are countless other secondary and tertiary targets that have escaped attack right Considering it was a "limited" exchange drawn out over a couple months... and with missile and air command centers knocked out - it may help explain why some of the higher value targets still exist.

Another way to look at it is... the map lists the target but not where the actual detonation occurred. I think it says something to that effect. It could also be a miss of a few kilos for (insert) reason.

I understand your bias. My city was targeted in Canada (a target list I think is over the top). I adjust the end result a little as a result.

[Rainbow Six]

I agree that there are some glaring omissions in the canon nuclear target lists.

If you look at the UK for example, the all major Naval bases (Faslane, Rosyth, Plymouth and Portsmouth) escape unscathed. Aldershot gets nuked but Catterick doesn't. And the whole of the North East industrial area escapes.

[Benjamin]

And here, especially after looking at kato13's target maps, I thought the UK got overly pummeled for its area in square kilometers.

Remember that the target lists are only for strategic nuclear hits. Canada, the US and the UK were also hit by multiple tactical nuclear weapons and these will still be in the size range of the Nagasaki (Fat Man 21kt) and Hiroshima (Little Boy 13-18 kt) devices. With that in mind you could do some serious damage to nearly any target you want to by saying it was hit bt a tactical nuclear weapon.

Conversely, there several references to near-misses and malfunctions of Soviet weapons that served to save an intended target. Given that Soviet nuclear weapons are believed to have a much larger circular error probability than US weapons. This is why Soviet bombs generally had a higher yield than US devices. (It's also why the saying...Close only counts in horseshoes...was extended to include nuclear weapons, and perhaps hand grenades)

So as a GM you could easily justify saving a desired target by saying the nuclear weapon targeting the location missed, got messed up by EMP, got shot down by an early Star Wars system, was a dud, only fissed but didn't fuse, hit a goose at launch, was made by the cheapest bidder, fried by a solar flare, incorrect targeting information made it hit Lake Titicaca instead or any number of things.

And the nice thing is that if you have a serious grudge against a particular town or location you can fill fully justified in wiping that blight off the face of the Earth with a 10-20 kt tactical nuclear weapon.

Benjamin

[Rainbow Six]

Benjamin of course you're right that ultimately it's always going to be up to the GM what has been nuked or hasn't.

I dunno...I guess I was just being picky...

Cheers

Dave

[kato13]

North American Strike map (Sans Alaska/Mexico/Greenland and northernmost Canada)

http://games.juhlin.com/files/nuke_s...th_america.jpg (4150x3550 907 KB)
(edit if you download this map you don't need to down load the one below I fixed the error)

A smaller map with all the Canadian Strikes is available here here.

USSR is going to be very annoying so I may wait a bit. Oh if anyone wants Alaska or Hawaii let me know.

[pmulcahy11b]

So as a GM you could easily justify saving a desired target by saying the nuclear weapon targeting the location missed, got messed up by EMP, got shot down by an early Star Wars system, was a dud, only fissed but didn't fuse, hit a goose at launch, was made by the cheapest bidder, fried by a solar flare, incorrect targeting information made it hit Lake Titicaca instead or any number of things.

I did that when I was running a campaign -- I wanted Kennedy Space Center to survive, so the bombs destined for it (three, IIRC), hit well off the coast instead, though a small wave washed over the entire Space Center. The warhead destined for Kaneohe MCAS also missed by a country mile (I spent my teenage years there, and have a lot of fond memories).