What's the AV of a rucksack?

[pmulcahy11b]

Throughout history since vehicles came into heavy use, troops have hung their personal gear outside of the vehicle or put them in bustle racks. This serves two purposes: to clear out the cramped interior, and to protect the vehicle a bit.

The second one is what I'm talking about. It's been discovered in Iraq that simple things like personal gear can pre-detonate HEAT rounds. So what's the AV of a rucksack A box of MREs Someone's boom box etc

[copeab]

The second one is what I'm talking about. It's been discovered in Iraq that simple things like personal gear can pre-detonate HEAT rounds. So what's the AV of a rucksack A box of MREs Someone's boom box etc

AV 0, most likely. Just functions as (probably not very effective) standoff armor.

[natehale1971]

Actually... Rucksacks have been known to stop bullets of up to 7.62mm caliber. But i'm not sure what AV that would be classified as.

[kato13]

I would think the average for a full pack would end up being the same or a little less than a sand bag. Of course it depends on contents.

[leonpoi]

I would think the average for a full pack would end up being the same or a little less than a sand bag. Of course it depends on contents.

probably more like a sandbag if the content was sand

[kato13]

probably more like a sandbag if the content was sand

My assumption was that is was twice as thick. Packed clothing can have a density of 400 kg/M^3 and my overall average for military/personal equipment is 700kg/M^3. Sand is about 1800kg depending on how wet it is.

[headquarters]

premature detonation of heat rounds

causes the jet of molten copper from the round to disperse in a patern that greatly lessens the effects of it . I would deduct a few points from total penetration value if rounds went of in objects outside the armor hull. Sort of like a spaced armor variety .

In Jugoslavia we saw vehicles modified to withstand heat rounds and rpgs with cement,tiles,car tyres,chickenwire and of course the good old tank tracks across the hull.

Being a former crew man and cavalry man my self I would be damned before I had any of my ill begotten gains put into expensive gear riddled with shrapnel on the outside of the APC .

Though - on the M135 ( M113 w 2o mm turret ) we had , all our packs were stowed in what we called the cangaroo pouch . A huge canvas pouch strapped to the front of the tin can.

Mostly issue gear back then though - I guess the shooting company would replace from their budget .But rolling out a sleeping bag with hits from mg fire and shrapnel in an ice cold tent at night after a scrap would probably dent morale pretty good.

Lack of space inside was the reason for stowing outside though .

[General Pain]

AV on a rucksac....

Paul that's the best one yet.....LOL (how long is a string of string)

I'd guess it would depend of what's in it...

If it's packed with Iron or gold bars for some reason it would be pretty good
on the other hand
if its packed with dirty dipers som vials of the plague , a faulty frag , a bottle of acid, 3 molotov cocktails and a pund of heroin...well that would be a interily different matter...

all IMHO offcourse

[headquarters]

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Paul that's the best one yet.....LOL (how long is a string of string)

I'd guess it would depend of what's in it...

If it's packed with Iron or gold bars for some reason it would be pretty good
on the other hand
if its packed with dirty dipers som vials of the plague , a faulty frag , a bottle of acid, 3 molotov cocktails and a pund of heroin...well that would be a interily different matter...

all IMHO offcourse

that reads like your PCs equipment list .( All firearms are carried on his person )

[jester]

I am guessing they would do a good job at protecting against low velocity stuff, pistols, shrapnel and maybe full sized mg and assault rifle rounds when they are near their max range and more or less spent.

But, the contents of the pack well, think about what we stuffed in the packs. A shelter half, 1 spare uniform, the boots if you carried extra may stop a round. But most things nope, they just contribute to stopping things.

One of the big reasons we put packs on the outside was room, so we could cram more guys in the truck. And so our packs are more accessible than just tossing them in the bed cramping your knees, rattling around, then the confusion of whose pack is whose when its time to off load. We had two trucks bog down on the drive to the city so in the end we have almost two platoons stuffed in the back of 1 duece, the bench seats were filled and then two rows of packs along the bed guys sat on.

So there is another reason for strapping them a lack of confusion and ease of access when you need them.

[pmulcahy11b]

if its packed with dirty dipers som vials of the plague , a faulty frag , a bottle of acid, 3 molotov cocktails and a pund of heroin...well that would be a interily different matter...

That leads to the inevitable question: why is your PC carrying those things around -- especially the dirty diapers

[copeab]

I'd guess it would depend of what's in it...

Yes, we should be asking: What's the AV of a can of Spam

[pmulcahy11b]

Yes, we should be asking: What's the AV of a can of Spam

It's quite dense. It's the real secret behind Chobham.

[kato13]

It's quite dense. It's the real secret behind Chobham.

C =3
H = 8
O = 15
B = 2
H = 8
A = 1
M = 13
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Tot= 50

S = 19
P = 16
A = 1
M = 13
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Tot = 49

Pretty close. You might be on to something.

[Pfc SAFU]

I'm straping cans of SPAM to the LAV 25....Cheap fix at AV 49. Don't tell the Brits' Python fans will come out of the woodwork.