Vehicle suggestions

[ArmySGT.]

They love to say Monococque like every soccer mom and joe bob uses this daily.

So I looked it up to be sure I knew what this mean.

Ok, it literally means single shell. In armor parlance, this means an armored hull to which components are attached versus a hull or frame to which armor is added as part of the components.

Monocoque

[cosmicfish]

I like it. Unlike the last offering, this is being marketed towards a military market which suggests that it is better suited to the Morrow mission. The only problem I would have with this beasty would be coming up with a cover story for why you are transporting hundreds or thousands of these around the US pre-war.

[nuke11]

If you are looking at something like that, I'd be more inclined to look at one of the following;

Oshkosh Defense : L-ATV or M-ATV Extended family
Navistar Defence : MXT family
AM General : BRV-O (more information required, but an interesting vehicle)

[cosmicfish]

Oshkosh Defense : L-ATV or M-ATV Extended family
AM General : BRV-O (more information required, but an interesting vehicle)

These are the other two contestants in the JLTV competition - I proposed Lockheed's candidate earlier. They all suffer from a dearth of available information (as they are not yet in full-scale production) and from the issue of not being currently available.

Navistar Defence : MXT family

Another perfectly reasonable choice, but I think a bit bigger than the rest. I think you would need to an actual trade study to pick the best option.

[kato13]

Moved some of the posts from here to
How dark is the future of the Morrow Project
as we had drifted from to original topic of vehicles.

[ArmySGT.]

The fact that it kinda looks like a cousin of Batman's Tumbler doesn't hurt either.

http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.com/2014/06/israel-reveals-its-latest-mine.html

[cosmicfish]

The fact that it kinda looks like a cousin of Batman's Tumbler doesn't hurt either.
http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.co...test-mine.html

All right, I have to admit: that's pretty badass. Forget my earlier suggestion for the JLTV, this looks pretty solid for TMP. We may disagree on staffing levels, but I like this little beastie.

[RandyT0001]

The fact that it kinda looks like a cousin of Batman's Tumbler doesn't hurt either.
http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.co...test-mine.html

Needs to be a 6x6. As a 4x4, disabling one tire stops the vehicle. And these days being armored vs 'anti-material' rifles, M2, Kord 12.7, etc. is desirable.

[ArmySGT.]

Needs to be a 6x6. As a 4x4, disabling one tire stops the vehicle. And these days being armored vs 'anti-material' rifles, M2, Kord 12.7, etc. is desirable.

All APCs and scouts have run flat tire (aluminum inner ring) to drive on in an emergency, most have a central tire inflation system capable of maintaining two tires at full capacity with two hits each. Most units are carrying a spare, for MPs this meant one spare mounted on a rim per squad on each mission.

On LAV IIIs (Stryker for one) have protection to 14.5, and this is with add on.

All APCs are proofed against 7.62N/7.62Bloc armor piercing, antipersonnel mines, and 155mm shell splinters with detonation at more than 50 meters. 1980s and newer will save the crew but loose the vehicle to an anti armor mine.

I don't give PCs a 6x6 or an 8x8. I want them lean and hungry so they will get out of the vehicle. Don't need a winnebago to be effective.

[ArmySGT.]

Look at this..... The V-150 lives on in a 21st century Canadian version.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/vehicles/2015/06/09/canada-textron-armored-vehicle-mobility-solved-army/28729137/

[cosmicfish]

http://oshkoshdefense.com/jltv/

I missed the announcement, but apparently these are going into production with an initial run of 17,000 units.

[ArmySGT.]

Here is the Brochure from the linked page. Personally, I say wait five years, let the flaws from the first generation stuff get rectified. The contractors that deal mostly with SOCOM (with their limitless budget) will be turning out the better C2 models with better radio suites anyway.

[cosmicfish]

Here is the Brochure from the linked page. Personally, I say wait five years, let the flaws from the first generation stuff get rectified. The contractors that deal mostly with SOCOM (with their limitless budget) will be turning out the better C2 models with better radio suites anyway.

Agreed - as I have mentioned in this and other threads, the Project has too many risks already to make it worse with unproven equipment. That having been said, the last few times I ran TMP I shifted everything a few years into the future from "today" and assumed that the Project was ahead of the curve a bit. If I was running a new game NOW I would consider something like this over the XR311 or the Commando Ranger, with the war coming in the 2018 timeframe and with the Project having planned all along to finalize their equipment stores about a year beforehand.

[ArmySGT.]

http://oshkoshdefense.com/jltv/

I missed the announcement, but apparently these are going into production with an initial run of 17,000 units.

With the JLTV coming out, that means the surplus market is going to be flooded with every model of HMMWV. All the more likely that these would go into caches and depots for Project use. Tons of parts too. So when the DoD goes onto something new the Project quietly scoops up the surplus.

[cosmicfish]

With the JLTV coming out, that means the surplus market is going to be flooded with every model of HMMWV. All the more likely that these would go into caches and depots for Project use. Tons of parts too. So when the DoD goes onto something new the Project quietly scoops up the surplus.

Sounds reasonable, but remember the way the military flows a lot of surplus to the Guard and/or police units - there will be a lot of competition. One thing I always considered was that the Project was buying some things and manufacturing some others, and that the state-of-the-art stuff was going to the "point" teams while the surplus purchases were going to the support teams and bases that were less likely to see combat.

So if I was setting the last gear up for a few years from now, I might put some JLTV's slipped quietly off the production line into the hands of MARS and Recon, and give the Ag and Psych teams surplus hummers.