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  • #31
    Speaking from the heavy metal side of the house, the tank gunner controls the laser range finder, ballistic computer, night vision and weapon selection (main gun or coax). The tank commander has an override control to cut the gunner out and slew the turret to new targets, he can also laser range or fire the selected weapon only. The TC sight is an extension that allows him to use the gunner's periscope head. On most tanks this means that the TC has to drop inside the turret and look through his scope. On older tanks (M48/60s) the TC has to operate the rangefinder from his down position.

    The M60A3 had a extension piece just for the night vision. I've always loved it because it was adjustable (to an extent) and it was possible to angle it so that I could look down and see what the gunner was tracking while keeping my head out of the turret. The M-1 switched back to the TC dropping down to use his sight.

    On most tanks, the loader controls the safeties for the main gun and coax. On the M-1, the coax is mounted near the gunner and he has to reach up and enage the safety. Never liked that feature, but the Abrams has a fairly large coax feed box that takes up the traditional coax mount location.

    Tank crews train for minimum crew, the TC can operate the gunnery systems, usually by using the toe of his boot and a lot of stretching. Can be quite amusing if you reading a map and yapping on the radio at the same time. Tankers can be quite flexible!

    As for the tanks external load...four duffle bags, four rucksacks, four sleeping bags for the crew, two camouflage nets (a 10'x10' diamond and a 20'x20 hexagon)'with a bag of poles and spreaders, the tank tarp, a 155mm powder can loaded with maps of the area, four cases of MREs, most crews had a fifth duffle bag (or a 25mm ammo can from the Bradleys) loaded with NBC suits, spare filters and the decon kits, at least two 5-gal water cans, and a can each of 10W and 30W oil for the trannie/engine. Everything has to be packed on top of the turret, behind the hatches (THANK GAWD for bungee cords!) and covered with the tarp to protect the junk from the weather. You quickly mastered the art of getting everything inside the tarp and securing it so that it kept the turret clear for rotation.

    M-1 has two hull sponson boxes to store the pioneer, track maintenance tools and the bore brush and poles to punch the main gun. A tool bag with hammer, adjustable wrench, box wreches, a sprocket set, files, screwdrivers, pliers and a grease gun. A dozen reload gease tubes, not to mention spare end connectors and center guides for the track.

    The turret has two sponson boxes, used to hold smaller items of the tank kit like cleaning rags, small arms cleaning kit, critical spare parts, the LBE and Kevlar helmets of the crew and some of the machine gun ammo cans (IIRC the loader stored eight cans of 7.62 in his and the TC stored six cans of .50 in his).

    As you can see, a lot of necessary junk to clutter up things.
    The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.

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    • #32
      In the system I use I treat most autocannon 'bursts' as a series of single shots fired in quick succession rather than as bursts in the way that small arms automatic bursts are treated.
      I wouldn't apply any burst penalties for coax machineguns firing either, if using 2.x rules, since the only thing recoil is doing is providing the planned for dispersion on the gun. The gunnery SOPs for US AFVs call for blasting personnel targets with coax MG fire at a rate that would make light infantry guys who have to haul their ammo on their backs wince in pain just watching.

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      • #33
        LOL, that's why the M-1 carries 10,000 rounds of 7.62mm and another 1,140 in .50 cal.

        I do miss the days when a tank had HEP and Beehive rounds. Just to keep the crunchies entertained!
        The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by dragoon500ly View Post
          LOL, that's why the M-1 carries 10,000 rounds of 7.62mm and another 1,140 in .50 cal.

          I do miss the days when a tank had HEP and Beehive rounds. Just to keep the crunchies entertained!
          Those days may be back: while I never got to shoot one, a few canister rounds filtered out our way. 1400 1/4 tungsten pellets.

          As far as stowage what we wound up doing was attaching 4 40mm cans to our bustle for POL and what have you, not to mention a bustle rack extension next to the APU sized just right for four duffles. Took forever to load us up as the entire troop was packrats.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
            I need a little assistance...

            I'm almost positive I've seen an ARV based on the M2 Bradley chassis in a similar way that the M88 is based on the M60. Does such a vehicle exist, even in prototype form, and what might it's towing capacity be
            Erm... Sorta. FMC built a repair vehicle based on the MLRS, but it wasn't a true ARV. IIRC, only one or two was made. You might find more info on it in the 92-93 Janes logistics and mines book if memory serves.
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            • #36
              Ok, as it's a rarity at best, what's the towing capacity of a Bradley Could it pull a dead weight (no wheels) of say 10+ tonnes
              If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

              Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

              Mors ante pudorem

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
                Ok, as it's a rarity at best, what's the towing capacity of a Bradley Could it pull a dead weight (no wheels) of say 10+ tonnes
                I've seen Bradleys tow other Bradleys, but it was slow going.
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                • #38
                  I'm assuming that was while they still had tracks in place
                  If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                  Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

                  Mors ante pudorem

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                  • #39
                    I am going to assume then that you mean another dead tracked vehicle; that being so, and assuming flat hard ground, sure, but not fast and not for far. Though this is an educated guess on my part.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Panther Al View Post
                      Those days may be back: while I never got to shoot one, a few canister rounds filtered out our way. 1400 1/4 tungsten pellets.

                      As far as stowage what we wound up doing was attaching 4 40mm cans to our bustle for POL and what have you, not to mention a bustle rack extension next to the APU sized just right for four duffles. Took forever to load us up as the entire troop was packrats.
                      LOL, always wondered if they would develop a canister when they switched to smoothbore!

                      As for the storage...I date back to when you had that silly web strap hanging off the back of the turret...when the extension came out on the IPM1, there were several beers hoisted at the NCO club to that unnamed warrant officer!!!
                      The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.

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                      • #41
                        Disabled vehicle, huge log, boulder, whatever.
                        Although I think we can assume the big tanks aren't likely to be slowed too much by typical obstacles or similar loads, I'm curious to know what a Bradley could shift if it came to the crunch.
                        If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                        Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

                        Mors ante pudorem

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
                          Disabled vehicle, huge log, boulder, whatever.
                          Although I think we can assume the big tanks aren't likely to be slowed too much by typical obstacles or similar loads, I'm curious to know what a Bradley could shift if it came to the crunch.
                          Don't know about that, I've seen M-1s get hung up on stumps, and they have the highest belly clearance and most power of any US tank.

                          I have to go along with the rest, a Bradley can generally tow another Bradley as long as its roads/trails...going cross country, then I've always seen them towed by M-88s.
                          The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.

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                          • #43
                            The technical rule isn't given in tonnage, but a Bradley can pull a Bradley, but not an Abrams. This is in neutral with the primary drives disengaged. If the tranny is locked up, we can't pull it without damaging ourselves, but it will pull it. My educated guess is the same about the Bradley pulling an Abrams as well, it's possible but causes damage.

                            As long as the Bradley isn't getting high centered and can use the towing BII like a snatch block, it can pull out just about any tree or boulder up to it's size. I'll dig in my TMs and FMs and see if I can't find tonnage today while I'm looking for some kind of work to keep me busy, but in Bradley School, they never published it.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
                              I'm assuming that was while they still had tracks in place
                              Yes, with tracks.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Eddie View Post
                                The technical rule isn't given in tonnage, but a Bradley can pull a Bradley, but not an Abrams. This is in neutral with the primary drives disengaged. If the tranny is locked up, we can't pull it without damaging ourselves, but it will pull it. My educated guess is the same about the Bradley pulling an Abrams as well, it's possible but causes damage.
                                For reference, a Bradley weighs 38 tons.
                                Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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