WarPac Vehicle Guide?

[Muti]

Hello guys! I was wondering... you know if there is something like a Warsaw Pact Vehicle Guide Maybe some Twilight enthusiast got the idea in the past and write something like that.

For example, I remember a nice "Czechoslovak Vehicle Guide" on Chico's T2k file dump. Other stuff like that

[pmulcahy11b]

One of the core books for Twilight 2000 is the Soviet Combat Vehicle Handbook, and it includes Warsaw Pact vehicles and some TOEs and OOBs (which, since the book's publication in 1990, many in forums such as this one have pointed out some errors and things that don't make sense).

[Muti]

have pointed out some errors and things that don't make sense

I have that book... what kind of errors and meaningless things are you talking about I'm developing an interest on TOEs and OOBs so your corrections could be useful.

[Raellus]

Welcome to the forum, Muti!

IIRC, Chico intended to create a Polish Army vehicle guide but other time consuming T2K projects have taken precedence as of late. I really hope he's able to produce a PAVG someday soon since a lot of us GM or play in games set in Poland. His Czech Army VG is simply brilliant.

[pmulcahy11b]

I have that book... what kind of errors and meaningless things are you talking about I'm developing an interest on TOEs and OOBs so your corrections could be useful.

They're not my corrections; there's some things that have been pointed out by posters here and there over the years (and that's true in general of the original GDW booklets). I'll look in my hard drive and see exactly what I have about it, but you may have to nag me, because right now I'm really sick. The H1N1 I have has also allowed a secondary bacterial infection into my sinuses and possibly other parts of my body, and I've pretty much been running an almost-continuous fever for a month. My thinking and memory are very screwed up. I'm deliberately not doing anything related to my web site right now because it will probably turn out to be a mess.

OK, that was a ramble...

[fightingflamingo]

Chico has some highly detailed ORBATs for the WP, which are based on extensive research... he's got some of them up on his website I think, he's also run a comparison to the Soviet Vehicle Guide unit IDs/and replaced them with historic ID's. It seems GDW had mixed up a bunch of the later mobilizing divisional army ID's. He's also got good stuff on mobilization only, training, and depot divisions, for Poland, GDR, & Hungary. Not sure about the rest of the WP, besides the Czech's which you'd mentioned.

[Muti]

Thank you for the replies guys and thak you Raellus for the welcome!

To Paul: hang on man! By the way... your site is impressive. Lots of details just as I like.

About the TOEs, some days ago I found on the net the three Field Manuals on "The Soviet Army" and, on volume 100-2-3 ,I discovered LOTS of TOEs obtained by the US Army from unclassified information on Soviet ground forces. Do you think that they can be used as TOEs for other countries of the WarPac

[fightingflamingo]

yes and no... the non-Soviet WP nations were equipt with less capable equipment that would be in a Soviet division of the same mobilization category. Additionally, there were vehicles used in Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland which were of local design and manufacture (FUG's & OT-65,64's).
Generally, the non-Soviet Armies in the WP followed the same pattern of organization, even if mix was different.

It just occurred to me that the non-Soviet WP generally had more towed artillery, and that mix increased as you went south in the WP towards Bulgaria.

[Muti]

And what about the TOEs on Orbat.com

http://www.orbat.com/site/history/historical/nato/warsawpact.html

At the bottom of the page there are "Warsaw Pact Forces Generic Table of Organization and Equipment".

[chico20854]

Orders of Battle:

Warsaw Pact, 1 OCT 1996:

Western TVD (Theater of Military Operations):

http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B1iWKi-cwRMLM2E3ZTU5MGMtN2FmMS00OTY5LWJiMDMtYTRjMzU1ZDc2OTY3&hl=en

Northwestern TVD:

http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B1iWKi-cwRMLMmMzNTc1MTctNWFhYS00MjhkLThmN2MtZDQxNDYxMTNhNDlm&hl=en

Southwestern TVD:

http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B1iWKi-cwRMLYmE5YzljY2YtOTcxOC00MDQ2LWFiYzUtNmZiYWMyOWMzZmI1&hl=en

Southern TVD:

http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B1iWKi-cwRMLOGI0M2Q0OGUtOWFmNi00ZTE5LTg1YzQtMjAwMWJmNTBkOTgy&hl=en

Far Eastern TVD:

http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B1iWKi-cwRMLNzY0M2NjNzktYTE1NC00MmY4LWI5MWItMjI2NjhhY2E5YWMx&hl=en

RGVK (Reserve of the High Command):

http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B1iWKi-cwRMLZGVmMTA1OWEtZjQ2OC00Y2VlLTlkYWYtYWEzMDQ0MWJjYjhl&hl=en

and a bonus:

Chinese People's Liberation Army, 1 OCT 96, version 1.5:
http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B...ZTU4YzFk&hl=en (edit: the newer version was on my thumb drive...)

This will all get onto my website http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeedox4/ sometime in the next week or 2...

[Webstral]

Orders of Battle:

Chinese People's Liberation Army, 1 OCT 96, version 1:
http://docs.google.com/fileviewid=0B...NGI5MGYw&hl=en (a newer version is on the hard drive at home...)

This is excellent. I have a month-long break from school coming up after Christmas, and I have been giving serious thought to getting back into The Storm in Germany and/or the Sino-Soviet War. If you don't mind, I may simply appropriate your OB as of 01 OCT for the PLA and guide towards it during 1996.

Webstral

[chico20854]

This is excellent. I have a month-long break from school coming up after Christmas, and I have been giving serious thought to getting back into The Storm in Germany and/or the Sino-Soviet War. If you don't mind, I may simply appropriate your OB as of 01 OCT for the PLA and guide towards it during 1996.

Webstral

I altered the RL historical Group Army designations to match the ones in your earlier work, as best as I could. Since the gap is so huge, I fudged it, and assumed (and we all know what assuming makes...) that the net result of the 1996 campaign season on the Chinese army was zero - that the 80-some new divisions feared by the Soviet politburu prior to Tchaikovskiy were either not raised, raised and destroyed during the year, disbanded to bring existing units back up to strength, or simply took the unit numbers of units that had been wiped out. On the equipment, heavy mortars and truck and trailer-mounted MRLs have become dominant, easier to manufacture than traditional tube artillery. Higher-level reserve artillery units are equipped with Western-supplied Assault Breaker systems - essentially HIMARS rocket systems firing ATACMS with Skeet submunitions.

The reinforcements listed in the newer version of the orbat are in keeping in line with your supposition that 80 divisions could be raised in 5 months. 75% of those units are committed to the Northern War Zone, the rest split between the Strategic Reserve (50%), the far west (25%) and the Vietnamese border (25%). They are listed going forward so that we can wargame the Far Eastern campaign, initially for the Soviet Army Guide but also for a Northeast Asia Sourcebook, which will hopefully eventually cover Hanoi-Anchorage.

[Legbreaker]

...the net result of the 1996 campaign season on the Chinese army was zero - that the 80-some new divisions feared by the Soviet politburu prior to Tchaikovskiy were either not raised, raised and destroyed during the year, disbanded to bring existing units back up to strength, or simply took the unit numbers of units that had been wiped out.

Seems like a logical approach.

[Muti]

Chico, you are simply A M A Z I N G !

[General Pain]

Chico, you are simply A M A Z I N G !

Well that's true ...indeed...however Muti you might have use for some of mine and HQs work - loads of tanks,airplanes and whatnot

http://thebigbookofwar.50megs.com/DOX/