Favorite Shotgun

[Badbru]

I'm going to have to go with the Winchester M1897 Trench gun.

Five round tubular magazine with one in the chamber for six.

Pump shotgun, with an exposed hammer, so you can carry a round in the chamber and easily see whether the weapon is cocked, hence whether the weapon is safe.

Allegedly you can hold the trigger down and work the slide to fire very very fast (but with little accuracy).

You can attach a bayonet, specifically the M1905 Bayonet, which is a good long pig sticker for those times you blunder into someone in the dark.

It has a magazine release button on it that allows the entire tubular magazine to be emptied in the blink of an eye. A safety feature oddly absent on all modern shotguns. The only way to unload tube magazine shotguns is by manually working the slide or action, which can result in an accidently discharge if you are the village idiot... or just unlucky.

Absolutely concurr with this assessment for all those reasons, plus one;

I also think it looks cool.

[Brother in Arms]

BADBRU

Written by Sglancy12

in regards to the model 1897 winchester

"It has a magazine release button on it that allows the entire tubular magazine to be emptied in the blink of an eye. A safety feature oddly absent on all modern shotguns. The only way to unload tube magazine shotguns is by manually working the slide or action, which can result in an accidentally discharge if you are the village idiot... or just unlucky."

Something many people don't know....In most modern shotguns if you depress the shell stop with your finger (little arm inside of the reciever that hold the shell in the tube) it will spit out one live round at a time. I have had to do with many many times with the remington 870 when the action's got stuck shut but there were still lives rounds in the chamber.

Brother in Arms

[Raellus]

My Mossberg 500 has the same feature. It's definitely a safer way to empty the mag- no chance of accidentally discharge and it's easier on the shells too.

[Panther Al]

I had to vote Other... The Atchisson AA12 Assault Shotgun seems to be the ultimate shotgun to me. I mean take an oversized M-16which fires 12 ga. full auto from a 20 round drum! Nasty, nasty, nasty. I've been a fan ever since I saw it in 1st ed. TMP. I just worked out T2K stats for it last night...

Doing some serious Thread Necro, but I was flipping through the you tubes, and for laughs I watched FPSRussia's channel, and saw this:

AA12

[Brother in Arms]

AA12 is a really cool firearm I. I think the original Blowback version from the 70's is truly exiting though!

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/usa/atchisson-aa-12-e.html

And I wasn't meaning to reserect such an old thread but I wanted people to know that you didn't have to cycle all the rounds through a pump shotgun to unload one.

Brother In Arms

[stg58fal]

I dislike shotguns. They are useful for only a few, rather specialized things (intimidation and master key). Generally something else will serve the same purpose much better.

That being said, I really like my Saiga-12.

[Raellus]

I'd say they're pretty handy for CQB too.

[Brother in Arms]

Like anything they have there uses...But most of the time Id rather have a rifle.

[waiting4something]

Shotguns biggest problem is they have really not had much advancement since the 1897 Winchester. Rifle and even pistol advancement has been a bit more progressive.

[Jason]

I dislike shotguns. They are useful for only a few, rather specialized things (intimidation and master key). Generally something else will serve the same purpose much better.

That being said, I really like my Saiga-12.

Let's not forget they are pretty good at taking fowl.

[Brother in Arms]

waiting

there has been lots of great developments but none really ever caught on. I think mainly because of the design of the shotshell itself....it's heavy, bulk, rimmed and is also semi flexible and can potentially deform or swell. Also they vary in pressure depending on payload of the round which can really affect semi auto or full auto function. Also ultimately its always been a back burner weapon for the military.

Here are some interesting designs:

SOF (MIWS)
Swatriplex 18
Striker 12
MAG-7
SPAS-15
Pancor Jack Hammer
AA-12
Neostead
SAIGA-12

Of course newer Kel tec KSG and UTAS 12 (but these are more or less copies of earlier designs but took 30 years to finally catch on)

[waiting4something]

I know what your saying Brother. There have been other styles of shotguns made outside the tubular feed models, but they are never really that much of a improvement. The Vepr 12 looks like the best thing that has come out in awhile, but that is no Twilight 2000 weapon. Your right, I think the fact that we are still using the same 12 gauge ammo that we have been using for over 100 years is a big part of this problem. It'd be like trying to design every rifle around a .45-70 round. The CAWS program ventured into using different sized cartridges and I think that was about as far as it went.

[Brother in Arms]

I have always been impressed by the full length brass cases developed for the CAWS by Olin. The Russians also have used full length steel cases.

One of the reasons the CAWS failed was the flechette rounds didn't properly stabilize.They have been trying to develop a flechette launching firearm for a long time.

Shot shells and there construction have come a long way even since the 1980's but the real problem is the sheer size of the cartridge. I think if they used modern sabots and maybe rifled bore they might be able to achieve more.

Perhaps the 3 1/2 shells will come to prominence in the future. But I think shotguns in general will always be hampered.


Brother in Arms

[Olefin]

my fave is the one I carried in the game as well as have in real life

My great grandfather's double barrel 10 gauge lupara

Very very reliable - and no matter what you are wearing for body armor if both barrels hit you, you arent going to be standing

(and yes it kicks like an sob if you pull both barrels)

Basically the ultimate close combat weapon - nothing says "goodbye Ivan" after you kick the door in better than that - except maybe a grenade (regular or for those into Call of Duty the rocket propelled variety)

biggest problem in the game was finding ammo - basically had to get my empties reloaded - managed to find a small amount of shells in Krakow that were new but otherwise no luck

[Rockwolf66]

Someone call General Pain,

http://victran.tumblr.com/post/73871483284/serbu-super-shorty-with-a-black-aces-tactical

It seems that Real life is trying to out munchkin him with an 18" long shotgun that feeds from Saiga 12 magazines.