Sawed off M79

[Legbreaker]

That's still only 20 pellets.
When was the APERs round developed

[pmulcahy11b]

That's idea I get about the sawed-off M-79. "IN YOUR FACE! (Boom!) GIT THE F**K OUTTA HERE!"

[Panther Al]

Especially if you have - and you should - a plan in place for some CMA (Cover My Ass) shoots.

Before you go out on patrol, you get with your gunbunnies and pick out a dozen or so points where you are planning to be patrolling. Each pair of points (and they do come in pairs) are about 3 to 5 minutes run from each one, in a nice arrow straight line.

So, lets pick up on our hapless party:

They decided that the company that just got a face full of metal is more than they can chew. A claymore set up like ArmySGT said buys a few more seconds - and more importantly, instills some caution in the chasers - while they haul ass. The RTO gets on the horn, and informs higher, and then as they get near one of the pre plotted points, calls up the guns: "Redleg, greenleg, CMA Shoot!" (Or something to that nature, overseas our calls was pretty much that - we didn't have time for a drawn out procedure in this sort of thing) Because, before hand, they made arrangements that calling for this is a lot like asking for FPF: You get to go to the head of the line. They will respond saying they are getting set up. Once you reach the first of the two points, you call up again, saying that you are passing point Alpha. By this times the guns should be up, oriented on target, and waiting for the word to fire. You haul ass harder: In fact, you don't care of they see you now, because that just draws them closer. You cross Point Bravo.. keep hauling, and call out you passed it. At which point the arty fills a 50m wide rectangle between A and B. If they was close, they are not so close anymore. And if they wasn't close enough to get caught, they are very much stopping to think things over.


Always have a GO To Hell Plan.

[Targan]

No question, a cut down M-79 would be a potent tool as part of spec ops point blank break contact drills. But as I'm sure many here already know, groups like SOG were (and most likely still are) incredibly aggressive when it comes to immediate action drills in the event of close-in ambushes. Their intra-unit tactics are finely honed, they carry much heavier overall firepower than similarly sized regular infantry units and (as has been previously mentioned) their general response to close-in surprise contact is to empty entire mags at the enemy and either withdraw in 2-by-2 fire and movement or push through and close with the enemy with the intent of utterly destroying a small enough opposing force.

Terrifyingly efficient. Now that's how to apply shock and awe on a small unit basis.

[Raellus]

Besides time-delay fuses for frags and Claymores, SOG would often carry CS gas grenades to strew in their wake, and occasionally "toe-popper" anti-personnel mines as well, to disuade/hinder pursuit.

When there's only 7-8 or you in the middle of an NVA regimental staging area, district rest camp, or road-repair unit guard detail, with specially trained NVA hunter-killer teams actively searching for you, no artillery support, and air support (if available) is an hour away, you learn to employ every trick in the book.

IMHO, SOG recon team members were some of the ballsiest warriors ever.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

That's still only 20 pellets.
When was the APERs round developed

40mm M576 APers round - developed in 1966 and used in the Vietnam War.
I believe there is a more modern version but I can't find any info on the net at the moment <Google-fu is not strong today>

[ArmySGT.]

40mm M576 APers round - developed in 1966 and used in the Vietnam War.
I believe there is a more modern version but I can't find any info on the net at the moment <Google-fu is not strong today>

Hint.

[rcaf_777]

Personally I think this Pump Action M-79 GL made for the Seals in Vietnam would work better for breaking contact, a little heavier but now you can mix and match for 40mm rounds

[DCausey]

Me Likey.

Does it have 1+1 rounds That would be a surprise for people just expecting one!

[Adm.Lee]

It's about 40mm Gls, anyway...

For what it's worth, I copied this from For Your Eyes Only

October 20, 2011: U.S. soldiers and Marines are using a new magazine for the 40mm grenades they fire from their single shot M203 and M320 grenade launchers. The MAG-D looks like a large rifle magazine. It is spring loaded and holds five 40mm rounds. Troops can easily pull a 40mm grenade from the MAG-D and load it into their weapon. A loaded MAG-D weighs less than three kg (6.6 pounds) each and is designed to hang from the webbing of the protective vest, and make additional rounds quickly available to troops carrying a rifle with a M203 or M320 attached (under the barrel). In the past, the 40mm rounds were carried loose or in bandoliers, and often got dirty or damaged. MAG-D also eliminates confusion about where different types of 40mm grenades are (high explosive, flare, smoke, tear gas, fuel-air explosive). U.S. Marines were the first to use MAG-D (which was invented by a former Marine) and want more of them.

[Raellus]

Personally I think this Pump Action M-79 GL made for the Seals in Vietnam would work better for breaking contact, a little heavier but now you can mix and match for 40mm rounds

I've read that it was heavy, slow to reload once empty, and just generally didn't work very well (not sure exactly why)- the few that saw field testing quickly got left behind in the team armory during ops.

[bobcat]

the china lake holds 3+1 rounds of M381 HE

sorry can't mix and match plus it weighs almost twice as much as an M79 and as has already been said is slow to reload.

[Panther Al]

Yep, thats the one as Bobcat said.

Neat concept, but really, was a solution looking for a problem. Too heavy and bulky to be really useful.

[HorseSoldier]

October 20, 2011: U.S. soldiers and Marines are using a new magazine for the 40mm grenades they fire from their single shot M203 and M320 grenade launchers. The MAG-D looks like a large rifle magazine. It is spring loaded and holds five 40mm rounds

That looks kind of miserable to wear around. I think I'll stick with my individual 40mm pockets if I find myself hauling an M203/320 around.

[ArmySGT.]

That looks kind of miserable to wear around. I think I'll stick with my individual 40mm pockets if I find myself hauling an M203/320 around.

I am with you. Looks kinda bulky. If it is quicker to load from ok. However Bandoliers carry more.