OT - Conspiracy Theories.... I love the imagination!

[Webstral]

Sorry for the rant, Ill probably get banned or at least givin a good talking too.

With that said, since this board is supposed to be politically neutral, it would be much appreciated if the comments from the left were left at the door so to say and same with the right. It does not seem fair for one to be overlooked or winked at and the other is not. Let all remember this the next time we type.

Me personally I do not care about the discussion at all, but I do care that in a neutral environment, generally this board that one side is more tolerated then the other.

Politics are hard to avoid in any discussion of real world events. We all should bear in mind that sweeping generalizations and wild accusations are easy and fun but seldom factual. We all have different interpretations of what is Left and Right, as well as how much of each is present, tolerated, embraced, etc. on this board. To a hard-core Leftist, a centrist is in bed with the Far Right. To a conservative fundamentalist, a centrist is a radical liberal. There's no making everyone happy. Therefore, if one has axes to grind with the Left or Right, those axes are probably best ground someplace else.

Webstral

[pmulcahy11b]

OK, I'm out of this thread. It has all the signs of a flame war in the making.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Personally I doubt this thread is leading to a flame war. It's been a spirited discussion about politics certainly but people in general are attacking the politics and not the forum member who raised the argument - this is how it should be conducted.
There is no way that you can have freedom of speech on a forum if the forum does not allow people to voice their opinion - however if anyone wants to exercise their free speech they should damned well take full responsibility for what they say and the effects it has.

Now that that rant is over, I'll go on to other things.
Cpl. Kalkwarf mentioned the notion of the end of the world because of all the things happening in the world today. Frankly, I see the media causing this more than any real world thing. Earthquakes, riots, volcanoes, cults, ethnic wars and so on ad nauseum, have occurred ever since humans started to compete with each other for resources. 200 years ago, it would take 3-6 months for the news to travel from one continent to another, 500 years ago it could take a full year. At that time only the most important news was transmitted and everything else (such as a minor earthquake in Australia) was ignored as having no relevance in other countries.
These days someone in Denmark farts too loudly while on the toilet and the nextdoor neighbour has posted it to Twitter, Facebook, My Space, their own blog and the local news. Then Little Johnny Internet-boy in Antartica is reading about it 15 minutes later.

It isn't that more events are occurring, it's simply that more are being reported and what's worse, every time something does happen the media in an effort to make it more sensational, drags up every other example of such a thing happening - even when it bears no relevance to the current event.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Personally I doubt this thread is leading to a flame war. It's been a spirited discussion about politics certainly but people in general are attacking the politics and not the forum member who raised the argument - this is how it should be conducted.
There is no way that you can have freedom of speech on a forum if the forum does not allow people to voice their opinion - however if anyone wants to exercise their free speech they should damned well take full responsibility for what they say and the effects it has.

Now that that rant is over, I'll go on to other things.
Cpl. Kalkwarf mentioned the notion of the end of the world because of all the things happening in the world today. Frankly, I see the media causing this more than any real world thing. Earthquakes, riots, volcanoes, cults, ethnic wars and so on ad nauseum, have occurred ever since humans started to compete with each other for resources. 200 years ago, it would take 3-6 months for the news to travel from one continent to another, 500 years ago it could take a full year. At that time only the most important news was transmitted and everything else (such as a minor earthquake in Australia) was ignored as having no relevance in other countries.
These days someone in Denmark farts too loudly while on the toilet and the nextdoor neighbour has posted it to Twitter, Facebook, My Space, their own blog and the local news. Then Little Johnny Internet-boy in Antartica is reading about it 15 minutes later.

It isn't that more events are occurring, it's simply that more are being reported and what's worse, every time something does happen the media in an effort to make it more sensational, drags up every other example of such a thing happening - even when it bears no relevance to the current event.

Yeh and the media makes it worse by rehashing it ad nauseum making one incident seem like a constant occurrence.

Agreed that the speed of news makes things seem more frequent. Then again, there are allot more people now days. So there are more frequent human caused situations then there was back in the day.

[waiting4something]

To me the only way we are closer to the end of the world is there is a lot more people. We live longer and less of us die compared to the past. We have less room for crops of food, and oil is getting used up fast. I'm not saying the end of the world is here, but the hole in the dam is bigger.

[Ironside]

I think it was the late Arthur C. Clarke who said that people who seek public office are the last ones that should be given it.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

I think it was the late Arthur C. Clarke who said that people who seek public office are the last ones that should be given it.

+1

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Personally I doubt this thread is leading to a flame war. It's been a spirited discussion about politics certainly but people in general are attacking the politics and not the forum member who raised the argument - this is how it should be conducted.
There is no way that you can have freedom of speech on a forum if the forum does not allow people to voice their opinion - however if anyone wants to exercise their free speech they should damned well take full responsibility for what they say and the effects it has.

Now that that rant is over, I'll go on to other things.
Cpl. Kalkwarf mentioned the notion of the end of the world because of all the things happening in the world today. Frankly, I see the media causing this more than any real world thing. Earthquakes, riots, volcanoes, cults, ethnic wars and so on ad nauseum, have occurred ever since humans started to compete with each other for resources. 200 years ago, it would take 3-6 months for the news to travel from one continent to another, 500 years ago it could take a full year. At that time only the most important news was transmitted and everything else (such as a minor earthquake in Australia) was ignored as having no relevance in other countries.
These days someone in Denmark farts too loudly while on the toilet and the nextdoor neighbour has posted it to Twitter, Facebook, My Space, their own blog and the local news. Then Little Johnny Internet-boy in Antartica is reading about it 15 minutes later.

It isn't that more events are occurring, it's simply that more are being reported and what's worse, every time something does happen the media in an effort to make it more sensational, drags up every other example of such a thing happening - even when it bears no relevance to the current event.

Sometimes it isn't as simple as left and right, there is a political chart that is called "The Nolan Chart" where it measures both economic and social freedom so it would include such political philosophies like libertarianism and so on. I tend to be very conservative morally but except for a few things, I tend to be libertarian because I know "that people are going to do what they are going to do," I just think they need to step up and be responsible. I think except for a few duties the Constitution specifies, when you get government in things, it just screwed them up.

Chuck

P.S., I've even seen three dimensional political charts too.

[waiting4something]

Just to keep this thread alive, I'm gonna make this statement. I don't think we ever landed on the moon. I think that was a hoax.

[Fusilier]

Just to keep this thread alive, I'm gonna make this statement. I don't think we ever landed on the moon. I think that was a hoax.

I'll bite. Why

[waiting4something]

Why I think the moon landing was fake is because we in a race with the Soviets both on the ground and space. Us landing on the moon would make it appear that the U.S.A. was much farther ahead of the Soviets. How do you go from just being able to orbit the earth a few years earlier to landing a craft on a rock surface in space like the moon that quickly Why have we only done this once
It seem like a better challege then just sending our guys up there to orbit around the Earth like we have been doing ever since. It was ironic how our plans to do this again in 2010 got scrapped. I'm guessing they hoped to do this for the first time then, but then figuired they weren't really ready yet. With the world convinced that they have already done this, why risk looking like a liers now if something bad happened.

[Targan]

I don't think we ever landed on the moon. I think that was a hoax.

If you have a powerful enough telescope you can see stuff that humans put on the moon. Including stuff that arrived with manned moon misions. Actually SEE it. That fact makes it hard for me to believe that there were no manned moon landings. Its pretty solid evidence.

[Fusilier]

Why I think the moon landing was fake is because we in a race with the Soviets both on the ground and space. Us landing on the moon would make it appear that the U.S.A. was much farther ahead of the Soviets. How do you go from just being able to orbit the earth a few years earlier to landing a craft on a rock surface in space like the moon that quickly Why have we only done this once
It seem like a better challege then just sending our guys up there to orbit around the Earth like we have been doing ever since. It was ironic how our plans to do this again in 2010 got scrapped. I'm guessing they hoped to do this for the first time then, but then figuired they weren't really ready yet. With the world convinced that they have already done this, why risk looking like a liers now if something bad happened.

Do you have any actual evidence to support these claims

Do you have any answer to how previous claims of evidence have all be debunked

Do you have any answer to how there is ample evidence from international 3rd parties that have confirmed the landings (For not only the first landing but the others as well)

It also seems that there are few fallacies in your reasons as well - affirming the consequent and fallacy of false cause (if I haven't mislabeled the terms). Those shouldn't be good reasons to believe in things even when being skeptical

[waiting4something]

Do you have any actual evidence to support these claims
Well, of course I don't other wise it would no longer be a conspiracy theory.

Do you have any answer to how previous claims of evidence have all be debunked
What are you talking about Willis

Do you have any answer to how there is ample evidence from international 3rd parties that have confirmed the landings (For not only the first landing but the others as well)
What third parties and what landings where these

It also seems that there are few fallacies in your reasons as well - affirming the consequent and fallacy of false cause (if I haven't mislabeled the terms). Those shouldn't be good reasons to believe in things even when being skeptical

You shouldn't believe everything you read, because that like believing in everything you hear.

[waiting4something]

If you have a powerful enough telescope you can see stuff that humans put on the moon. Including stuff that arrived with manned moon misions. Actually SEE it. That fact makes it hard for me to believe that there were no manned moon landings. Its pretty solid evidence.

What do they have up there Is it the stage that they filmed it in