T2K Today: Korea

[Eddie]

You know, in light of our past, I can't really tell if that was supposed to be humorous or if it was another jab at me.

If I put someone on the ignore list, their posts don't even show up on my screen, correct

[Raellus]

Just your friendly neighborhood moderator popping in to remind everyone to play nice.

[Webstral]

Kato, your reference to cultural values is a timely one. While I would expect the ROK to provide a large body of troops, I wouldn't have expected the ROK to be willing to foot the entire bill for 500,000 troops to occupy the North for 3-5 years. You are suggesting perhaps they would be willing to do so due to their emotional bonds with their captured cousins. Very interesting...

Webstral

[headquarters]

brainwashed Norks

Well - as kato says there are many reasons that Koreans would be motivated for a reunification ,on either side of the Bamboo Curtain.

However - a huge number of people will still be in the category of "hard core" regime supporters.Certainly enough to make any attempted intervention or stirring of the situation a messy business.

[Grimace]

In case you missed it, it was a joke.

I thought it might be, but since there were no smilies, no winks or anything else, I wasn't quite sure. Simple text tends not to convey humor without assistance. No worries from me, though.

[Eddie]

No worries. I figured the ridiculousness of capitalism curing cancer would be enough of a clue. I tend to overuse smilies or not use enough, I never seem to get it just right.

[pmulcahy11b]

So what you're saying is, capitalism can cure leukemia!

Ironically, it probably will be capitalism that cures leukemia, in a way -- if it's profitable enough, some corporate executive will figure out a way to do it.

[Eddie]

Ironically, it probably will be capitalism that cures leukemia, in a way -- if it's profitable enough, some corporate executive will figure out a way to do it.

Yeah, but then we totally derail this thread with the eternal, profits from the cure vice profits from the continued treatment debate.

We should probably leave it at a bad attempt at a joke from me and let the thread get back to the North Korea vs. South Korea debate.

[kato13]

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Going back to Leukemia, certain types do have up to an 90% successful treatment rates (in advanced countries).

[kato13]

Kato, your reference to cultural values is a timely one. While I would expect the ROK to provide a large body of troops, I wouldn't have expected the ROK to be willing to foot the entire bill for 500,000 troops to occupy the North for 3-5 years. You are suggesting perhaps they would be willing to do so due to their emotional bonds with their captured cousins. Very interesting...

Webstral

From what I have seen virtually all the animosity the ROK has for the North is directed at the highest echelon. Even the North Korean line soldiers are viewed with pity by the civilian populace. However that may change once shells land in Seoul and face to face combat begins.

[HorseSoldier]

If the ROK went it alone on occupying the North after reunification it would have a much lower media profile, making it a lot easier to get the job done, if they were facing guerilla resistance.

That's if there was any continued resistance -- communism seems much more effective at producing fanatically devoted insurgents among those whose experience with it is mostly fantasy rather than those who spend time living under communist regimes. Probably because the reality sucks so hard and because, unlike religion, communism is exclusively grounded in the here and now.

[headquarters]

WAR

From what I have seen virtually all the animosity the ROK has for the North is directed at the highest echelon. Even the North Korean line soldiers are viewed with pity by the civilian populace. However that may change once shells land in Seoul and face to face combat begins.

this sympathy might lessen the combat efficiency of the ROK units

I believe that the war of 50-53 -where both sides at one point beat the other side back and took their capital ( pretty interesting in terms of war as history study ) - showed that there was plenty animosity between the regular folk.A lot was to do with the hard core groups that roamed the lines like death squads taking care of "untrustworthy" individuals on either side .The executions and atrocities commited by these did a lot to infuriate the populace against eachother both sides had their own -also propaganda was harsh on both sides.

But I certainly agree that I would pity any countryman trapped in the NK regime ,and wish for a reunification to help them out -and given the altuistic sense of duty to nation that the Koreans have accordingto kato - the sense of kinship can be a major factor in the outcome.

[Rainbow Six]

Interesting article in today's Times...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/bill_emmott/article7140609.ece

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Ironically, it probably will be capitalism that cures leukemia, in a way -- if it's profitable enough, some corporate executive will figure out a way to do it.

Actually more like Capitalism will create Wealthy people and some of them will be altruistic, and or just interested in the tax breaks that they will get. Either way Donations will go to a group that will likely fund this research.

::begin rant::
Capitalism is not evil or bad. People are Evil or bad. There are plenty of evil people in "Socialist Utopian society's". Such as "Smiling Uncle Joe" Stalin, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler (yes he used Socialism to advance his Plan of a Utopia), Fidel Castro, Hugo Ch!vez, Mao Zedong, Etc... Sure are/were allot of lower class people, and very few rich in these societies.

Its easier to work against an evil capitalist then it is to work against an evil Government.

Greed in a capitalist society creates wealth. The greedy want more, so they invest to create wealth generating enterprises, and they get more money in return for a good investment. A poor investment, leads to loss.

Greed in a non capitalist society tends to just make a very few filthy rich, and very little if no regular rich or generally wealthy people. Just taking money from the rich does not create wealth. It is just forced redistribution.

In a non capitalistic society, there will be less wealthy to do this sort of thing. The governments will not do it unless they see some sort of benefit out of it either.
And no one like to have to do anything they are told they have to do. Its human nature. You will get a whole lot more cooperation with a kind word and a reward, then a threat. (most of the time anyway)

The filthy rich will always be the filthy rich. Some will die and give their wealth to their spoiled offspring, other will die and give it all to charity, and others will do a combination of those in varying degrees.

Heck one of those rich might develop some of those afflictions and be very generous donations in order to help find a cure.
::end rant::

It takes all kinds.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

No worries. I figured the ridiculousness of capitalism curing cancer would be enough of a clue. I tend to overuse smilies or not use enough, I never seem to get it just right.

See my last post. Actually a capitalist based economy will more likely to be the environment were it will be found. Though that's just one mans opinion.