Farms in T2k

[Matt W]

Very rough calculations... Please check

If you go by the standards of Ireland circa 1845, you can get about 6 tons of potatoes per acre (say 15 tons per hectare). That's UK tons - which is 'nearly' 1000kg

The average person needs 2.5 kg of food per day (very approximately). So let's assume that each hectare gives 6000 man-days of food.

To feed 40 000 for 1 year, you need 40 000 x 365 man-days of food = 14.6 million man-days

Therefore, you need 2 500 hectares = 25 square kilometres = You need a fertile space about 5 kilometres by 5 kilometres

Central Park is 3.4 km2

edited - hectares bigger than acres

[Legbreaker]

Hectares are larger than Acres.....
Roughly 2.5 Acres to the Hectare.

[Matt W]

Other food for post-nuke Manhattan

Shellfish

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Death-of-an-Oysteror-50000-in-New-York-Harbor-100292389.html

"Weeds"
It'll need experts like this guy

http://www.ediblemanhattan.com/20090914/weedeater/

or this lady

http://www.heritageradionetwork.com/episodes/928-Brooklyn-Eats-Episode-12-Ava-Chin

Backyard farms

Incidentally, the best approach might be to follow the Cuban model

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0104koont.htm

[kalos72]

Guys I am not trying to make it about Manhattan, just the figures. :P

I am just trying to apply Antenna's GREAT WORK to a real canon scenario...

[Webstral]

Antenna,

This is tremendous. Thanks for doing all of this work. It's a lot to wade through. I wanted to extend my appreciation before too much time went by.

Webstral

[Targan]

Agreed, amazing work. Very useful for a variety of game settings. Thanks for posting it Antenna.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Guys I am not trying to make it about Manhattan, just the figures. :P

I am just trying to apply Antenna's GREAT WORK to a real canon scenario...

No problem there, I think we were just using the Manhattan model to show how you don't have to work on the traditional farming plot to obtain some foods, there are alternatives that can reduce the amount of land you would normally need.

[General Pain]

food...

have you considered pollution/radiation in the equations

On the other hand a farm could "farm" roaches on the side as food for the livestock or kids when they misbehave etc....

[Targan]

On the other hand a farm could "farm" roaches on the side as food for the livestock or kids when they misbehave etc....

Oh Pain, there you go again singing the praises of farming "land shrimp".

[Antenna]

Thanks for the cred guys

Antenna

[Antenna]

have you considered pollution/radiation in the equations

On the other hand a farm could "farm" roaches on the side as food for the livestock or kids when they misbehave etc....

Well, there are few studies what radiation does to crop, so sorry there

Antenna

[General Pain]

Oh Pain, there you go again singing the praises of farming "land shrimp".

Hey man as long as you powder them up after you cook them and sell them as red cross relief disaster packages who would know

Apart from that they breed extremly easily and will basically eat anything from leftovers to garbage to political dissidents

[Legbreaker]

Found this lovely little gem.

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/device/devices7.html

[dragoon500ly]

Just to give an idea how much meat livestock can provide:

During WWII, the German Army considered a meat ration to be about 173gm per day.

An Army Butcher Platoon could process the following in a single day:

40 beef cattle = equal to 40,000 meat rations
or
80 pigs = equal to 24,000 meat rations
or
240 sheep = equal to 19,000 meat rations

[Abbott Shaull]

Don't forget though that scavenging forms a large part of what's supporting those 100,000 people. Even several years after the war there's likely to be a lot of preserved food squirrelled away in kitchens, resturaunts, cafeterias, vending machines and a thousand other places. Scavenging is probably considered a respectable profession by many city dwellers.

Check out Armies of the Night if you have access but they covered this side of life in the big city after the TDM and result mad rush to leave town and then those who have stayed and survived.