The location of the Pope during the Twilight War

[firewalker]

i used to have a bunch more links but thay seam to have dispard someware.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/swiss_guard/index.htm

Raellus i once thought about having a militia/proto militant order poop up. The genesis being when the local marauder crew tried there stick on a monastery (and attended refugees and such) were one of the novices was in his previous life a green bary.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

The subject of the Vatican and the Swiss Guards has come up before, these threads are worth reading

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?p=10016

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=517

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=1209

[pmulcahy11b]

A cross in one hand and grenade launcher in the other, he's "THE CONVERTER"!
Don't let the robes fool you...

And he's armed with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!

[Dog 6]

I had to vote " other " . I'd say he's dead by the year 2000

[Targan]

I had to vote " other " . I'd say he's dead by the year 2000

I think you misunderstand. The question isn't about the location of a specific Pope, the question is about the location of whoever the current Pope is during the Twilight War. As long as there are any cardinals left there will be an election to decide a new Pope after John Paul II dies. Unless you're arguing that following the death of John Paul II no new Pope would be elected? If so I think that is a valid position to take but I'd like to see your reasoning.

[Legbreaker]

If JPII was dead, and it occured during or after the nukes, then it's very likely there could be multiple claimants to the title. It's also possible that the individual claimants and their associated group could be unaware of others in existance.

[pmulcahy11b]

I think you misunderstand. The question isn't about the location of a specific Pope, the question is about the location of whoever the current Pope is during the Twilight War. As long as there are any cardinals left there will be an election to decide a new Pope after John Paul II dies. Unless you're arguing that following the death of John Paul II no new Pope would be elected? If so I think that is a valid position to take but I'd like to see your reasoning.

But if JPII is killed in the fighting, what are the chances you'll get a conclave together in the near future? Especially if the Vatican is destroyed and travel is impossible?

[Targan]

There were still Popes elected even during the worst of times during the Middle Ages. I agree that there may well end up being multiple Popes all vying for legitimacy but I doubt there would be no Pope at all for very long.

[Rainbow Six]

I agree with Targan and Leg - Regardless of whether a conclave can be formed or not, there will probably be several people claiming the title of Pope, with varying degrees of legitimacy.

[pmulcahy11b]

I agree with Targan and Leg - Regardless of whether a conclave can be formed or not, there will probably be several people claiming the title of Pope, with varying degrees of legitimacy.

What a world...a world full of popes...

[Rainbow Six]

As was alluded to earlier, I suppose it's not that dissimilar to the situation in the US where Civgov and Milgov are both claiming to be the Government. There would probably be countless other "Pretenders" throughout the World claiming various titles, positions, etc.

For example, I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or more persons in Russia tried to set themselves up as the new Tsar...

[Mohoender]

Multiple Choice solutions

Hello Everyone, long time no talk for me (Too many real life matters to care for). Glad to see that you are still around.

In my own game I left the Pope in Rome but that's perfectly personnal. Wiith a papal state ruling over Rome, Sardegna and Malta. I like the idea of Switzerland, so.

I can see many place where the pope could reside including Castle Gandolfo, San Marino, France, Malta and (why not) Spain or Portugal.

Something else could be interesting too, then, and that would be a rehearsal of the Middle Ages situation with two Popes. One in Rome (or Italy) and an anti-pope remaining again in Avignon (France) or elsewhere. A schism could be interesting.

Hope that this week and the coming chrystmas will leave me enough time to come back again.

In case, I don't, have some good times for years'end, all of you.

[helbent4]

Hello Everyone, long time no talk for me (Too many real life matters to care for). Glad to see that you are still around.

Hope that this week and the coming chrystmas will leave me enough time to come back again.

In case, I don't, have some good times for years'end, all of you.

Mohender,

Glad to hear from you and that you can devote at least a little time to offer your opinion.

I think that a "multiple popes" scenario fits well into T2K. It's sort of how like the Black Madonna (BM) is a powerful instrument to inspire the faithful of Poland for both "good" or "evil". At least in some areas, religion is a real factor in T2K and the pope is therefore an element of political influence.

Instead of oneBM that influences Poland, the pope could wield global influence in the face of weak national governments. Unlike a unique painting, the pope is an office and there could be several of them.

Tony

[pmulcahy11b]

I think the pope is in the pizza...old SNL joke...

[Legbreaker]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of JPII swallowing a nuke and there being multiple Popes in 2000 scattered about the planet.