Fiddle's Green

[dragoon500ly]

True, but that (at least according to the cav) was because the infantry branch got all pissy that someone might get something special, after all, the infantry is the only bunch that gets promotion points for proving they know how to do their job...

But in all seriousness, yes, the M3 was called the Bradley, but to a lot of cavalry men its still the Devers- at least to the old timers- the new crop over the past 10 years hasn't heard about its old name..

It was Devers when I left the service...so shoot me (wait, that's been done)!!!

Besides...infantry officers tended to tear up and throw hissy fits when cav was attached to their units...it was that cocky, know-it-all atitude that comes with the knowledge that in a real fight, with armored cavalry...infantry was just another name for "track lubricant"!!!

[pmulcahy11b]

Besides...infantry officers tended to tear up and throw hissy fits when cav was attached to their units...it was that cocky, know-it-all atitude that comes with the knowledge that in a real fight, with armored cavalry...infantry was just another name for "track lubricant"!!!

Hey, I resent that remark, and I'm Dragon-qualified...

[dragoon500ly]

Hey, I resent that remark, and I'm Dragon-qualified...

LOL...I never present my backside to a Dragon!

Besides, haven't you ever wondered why infantry are called "crunchies" by tankers

[Abbott Shaull]

LOL...I never present my backside to a Dragon!

Besides, haven't you ever wondered why infantry are called "crunchies" by tankers

Yeah, well I would be afraid of friendly fire too!

No I wouldn't want be an Infantryman assigned to anything closely resembling an Armor unit for said reasons. They have very limited field of vision, the again so do Dragoon gunner who are only looking through their sights. So yeah I can understand them not wanted to expose their back side to some rocket troop looking through an only noticing that they tanks are 'leaving' the engagement area...lol

[Abbott Shaull]

In the mid to late 80s, the armd cav platoon replaced two M113 Dragon tracks with two M-901 Improved Tow Vehicles...not exactly the best choice for the recon mission!

Towards the end of the eighties, with the first deployment of the M3 Devers CFV, the ACRs started a major reorganization of the platoons.

First tested in the 1986 REFORGER, the structure was 1st & 2nd Platoons, using a command M113, 3 M-901s and 3 M113 Dragons apeice (splitting the Third Herds scout section) and giving up their tank sections to 3rd Platoon...12 M-1s!

3rd platoon would have 12 M1s....WOW the platoon would have as much firepower minus the HQ section of a regular Armor Company...lol

[Panther Al]

Hey, I resent that remark, and I'm Dragon-qualified...

Hrm.... The Dragon. You mean that missile that had a minimum range closer to its max than not, the one that had a "slight" problem with CATO issues, that would sometime fly right into the ground, and the one that when the russians copied it, significantly improved on it to the point that the pip was a copy of the russian redesign

Now if you said TOW on the otherhand....

[Abbott Shaull]

Paul no matter what we may say. I have the feeling we will be wrong because we could jump out of perfectly flying Air Farce plane with one...lol

[pmulcahy11b]

Paul no matter what we may say. I have the feeling we will be wrong because we could jump out of perfectly flying Air Farce plane with one...lol

How many times do I have to say that I don't know those planes are perfectly good because they're Air Force planes!

[pmulcahy11b]

Hrm.... The Dragon. You mean that missile that had a minimum range closer to its max than not, the one that had a "slight" problem with CATO issues, that would sometime fly right into the ground, and the one that when the russians copied it, significantly improved on it to the point that the pip was a copy of the russian redesign

Now if you said TOW on the otherhand....

The point being that I could pop your fancy Cav vehicle in the patoot... And the minimum range is only 60 meters. And grounding your missile is a rookie mistake.

And yes, I did botch my only combat shot with a Dragon, hitting the BMP-1 near one of the front roadwheels...

[Abbott Shaull]

How many times do I have to say that I don't know those planes are perfectly good because they're Air Force planes!

Yeah I know what you mean there is no such thing as perfect Air Force plane. They were piloted by the best pilots put through the best training known in the f'Free' world... So damn right I wanted to be qualified to deplane in hurry...lol

[Panther Al]

How many times do I have to say that I don't know those planes are perfectly good because they're Air Force planes!

Now that is a very good point: at least with the sh!thook you know if its leaking its fine, when it stops it must be out of fluids.

(And by the way, don't ask the crew to see the leeks before you get on, they don't find it very funny. )

[Abbott Shaull]

I don't understand why not...lol Just keep an eye where the crew chief is looking at...lol

[bobcat]

and again i am reminded how much of an oxymoron i am.
the dismounted rider(AKA light cavalry)

gimmie a radio, my M4 and a division of hostle armor(or as us light guys call them targets)

[Dog 6]

lol @ the crunchies

[dragoon500ly]

3rd platoon would have 12 M1s....WOW the platoon would have as much firepower minus the HQ section of a regular Armor Company...lol

Tell me about it! To the best of my knowledge, it was only pulled on that one REFORGER with mixed results (gee wonder why). That's why the next move in the troop was to go to four line platoons, two with 6 M3 each and two with 4 M1A1s apiece. This is the configuration that went into Desert Storm.