Fiddle's Green

[Graebarde]

Of course, you do have to accept that the Blacks are going to do it again in the UK right

After all, it wouldn't by rugby if we didn't have the French whining about something!

(Granted, while the better team did win in the end, we was rather outplayed the whole game)

Heck, if they had racked up points then you would really hear the whine.. don't you know this is the age of let everyone win or make them feel good in loosing.. they fail to realize they are not number two, rather hold first place... first looser.

And the whine... there's plenty of stinky cheese that goes good with a whine. Go Blacks~~ FB

[dragoon500ly]

The US Army WWII Cavalry Recon Squadron

This thread has been way too quite for way too long!

The Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron was part of every armored division in the WWII Army, its organization is intresting...

Squadron HQ Troop
HQ Section: 2 jeeps, 2 halftracks
Communications Section: 4 2.5-ton trucks, 3 M8 armd cars, 1 halftrack
Squadron Admin and Personnel Section:1 jeep, 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer
HQ Service Troop
HQ Platoon
HQ Section:1 jeep
AM&S Section: 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer
Maintenance Section:1 halftrack w/trailer
Transportation Section:1 jeep, 6 2.5-ton trucks w/6 trailers
Maintenance Platoon:1 jeep, 1 M8 armd car, 1 M32 ARV, 1 halftrack, 1
6-ton wrecker, 2 2.5-ton trucks w/trailers
Supply Section:3 2.5-ton trucks w/trailers
3 Recon Troops, each with
HQ Section: 3 jeeps, 2 M8 armd cars
AM&S Section: 3 halftracks w/trailers, 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer
Maintenance Section: 1 jeep, 1 M8 armd car, 1 halftrack w/trailer
3 Recon Platoons, each with
Armored Car Section:3 M8 armd cars
Scout Section: 6 jeeps
Light Tank Company
Company Headquarters
HQ Section: 1 jeep, 2 M5 Stuart light tanks
AM&S Section: 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer
Maintenance Section: 1 jeep, 1 halftrack, 1 ARV
3 Light Tank Platoons, each with:5 M5 Stuart light tanks
Assault Gun Troop
HQ Section: 1 jeep, 1 halftrack
AM&S Section:1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer
Maintenance Section: 1 jeep, 1 halftrack, 1 ARV
4 Assault Gun Platoons, each with
HQ Section: 1 halftrack, 1 halftrack w/trailer
Gun Section: 2 M-8 HMC w/trailers
Ammo Section: 1 halftrack w/trailer

Hmmmmmm, 1944-1989....pretty much the same config!

[pmulcahy11b]

you can also try using a taser on yourself.....especially when walking past the Ben & Jerry's!

I saw part of a show the other day, where the police were shooting at a streaker. The police officer that hit him first was a female...wouldn't you know it, she got him in the balls...

[Panther Al]

Dude! Dragoon is back!

[dragoon500ly]

LOL

Been waaaaayyyy to stupid at work!

Been digging through some of the service's more remote warehouses...and it still amazes me just what some supply officer/nco stashes in remote corners:

Two crates of 3.5-inch bazookas, Korean War issue and never been used!

A propeller from a landing craft....at Fort Hood!

And among a stack of replacement gun tubes, two tubes for an M-60A2...glad to see some things just never, ever change!

[dragoon500ly]

I saw part of a show the other day, where the police were shooting at a streaker. The police officer that hit him first was a female...wouldn't you know it, she got him in the balls...

There was a video of someone testing a net gun, and hitting the, ahem, same target when the round failed to deploy.

Guy just can't get a break!

[dragoon500ly]

The Best Tank Gun

Soooo...

At the height of the Cold War who fielded the best tank cannon

For NATO I'd have to say the 105mm cannon L7A1/M68 series was the best of the lot. Decent engagement envelope, effective out to 2,500m, excellent rate of fire, officially 7rpm, but a first class loader pulling vacuum loads could crank 12-15rpm and sheer number of platforms it was deployed on: Upgraded Centurion, M-48A5, M-60, M-60A1, M-60A3, M-1, IPM-1, Leopard I.

For the Soviets, without a doubt the 115mm smootbore U-5TS mounted on the T-62 series was the best gun, unlike the NATO designs the Soviets went for short-range accuracy, Soviet doctrine held that tanks did not engage until 1,500m, but Israeli tests showed the 115mm was suprisingly accurate out to 2,500m. Its biggest fault is the poor quality of Soviet fire control equipment, when refitted with laser rangefinders and Western ballistic computers, well, the Israelis chose not to replace the 115mm on their captured T-62s. Rate of fire is excellent, capable of 7rpm, although there are reports that the accuracy of the U-5TS fell off during sustained combat due to the effects of a hot barrel and fouling due to the incomplete combustion of the propellent (quality control issues).

[Panther Al]

Soooo...

At the height of the Cold War who fielded the best tank cannon

For NATO I'd have to say the 105mm cannon L7A1/M68 series was the best of the lot. Decent engagement envelope, effective out to 2,500m, excellent rate of fire, officially 7rpm, but a first class loader pulling vacuum loads could crank 12-15rpm and sheer number of platforms it was deployed on: Upgraded Centurion, M-48A5, M-60, M-60A1, M-60A3, M-1, IPM-1, Leopard I.

For the Soviets, without a doubt the 115mm smootbore U-5TS mounted on the T-62 series was the best gun, unlike the NATO designs the Soviets went for short-range accuracy, Soviet doctrine held that tanks did not engage until 1,500m, but Israeli tests showed the 115mm was suprisingly accurate out to 2,500m. Its biggest fault is the poor quality of Soviet fire control equipment, when refitted with laser rangefinders and Western ballistic computers, well, the Israelis chose not to replace the 115mm on their captured T-62s. Rate of fire is excellent, capable of 7rpm, although there are reports that the accuracy of the U-5TS fell off during sustained combat due to the effects of a hot barrel and fouling due to the incomplete combustion of the propellent (quality control issues).

Makes perfect sense. The L7A1 is still more than good enough in my opinion with the newer ammo types out there, and the 115 wasn't a slouch either.


The fact that you brought up barrel fouling is a case in point with the biggest issue with large calibre russian/soviet ammo: it isn't as good as the west. Chemistry, materials, who knows, just ounce for ounce their boomenstuff just isn't that good. Its why the L11 76mm gun that served on the original T34 was only the equal to the 5cm KwK of the Panzer 3's, and that is the reason that to equal the performance of the 7.5cm L48 KwK they had to go all the way to the 85mm D5T and all the way to a 122mm to equal the 7.5cm L70 KwK. Russian gun design, awesome. Ammo not so much.

[Olefin]

LOL

Been waaaaayyyy to stupid at work!

Been digging through some of the service's more remote warehouses...and it still amazes me just what some supply officer/nco stashes in remote corners:

Two crates of 3.5-inch bazookas, Korean War issue and never been used!

A propeller from a landing craft....at Fort Hood!

And among a stack of replacement gun tubes, two tubes for an M-60A2...glad to see some things just never, ever change!

Now there are several ideas for great finds in the game! And I know what you are talking about - we got stuff sent to us that is mismarked from Army bases and depots all the time that when you open the box its the wrong thing.

[dragoon500ly]

Makes perfect sense. The L7A1 is still more than good enough in my opinion with the newer ammo types out there, and the 115 wasn't a slouch either.


The fact that you brought up barrel fouling is a case in point with the biggest issue with large calibre russian/soviet ammo: it isn't as good as the west. Chemistry, materials, who knows, just ounce for ounce their boomenstuff just isn't that good. Its why the L11 76mm gun that served on the original T34 was only the equal to the 5cm KwK of the Panzer 3's, and that is the reason that to equal the performance of the 7.5cm L48 KwK they had to go all the way to the 85mm D5T and all the way to a 122mm to equal the 7.5cm L70 KwK. Russian gun design, awesome. Ammo not so much.

The 100mm D-10T2S fitted to the T-54/55 series is an intresting contrast. Effective range is 1080-1,200m, depending on the ammo used, with a max rate of fire of only 3-4rpm

The standard 90mm as fitted to the M-47/48 series have an effective range of 1,500m and a rate of fire of 5-6rpm

[Panther Al]

The 100mm D-10T2S fitted to the T-54/55 series is an intresting contrast. Effective range is 1080-1,200m, depending on the ammo used, with a max rate of fire of only 3-4rpm

The standard 90mm as fitted to the M-47/48 series have an effective range of 1,500m and a rate of fire of 5-6rpm

True enough: and that same 90mm was only *just* barely the equal of the 7.5cm KwK42 that was in the Panther. Say what you will, the Germans know how to build large guns.

[dragoon500ly]

True enough: and that same 90mm was only *just* barely the equal of the 7.5cm KwK42 that was in the Panther. Say what you will, the Germans know how to build large guns.

No argument here, instead of using the wire-bound design that the Brits used, they used the built-up method, tubes may have been heavier, but they certainly had the advantage in the range envelope, not to mention enjoying a much longer barrel life.

[Graebarde]

LOL

Been waaaaayyyy to stupid at work!

Been digging through some of the service's more remote warehouses...and it still amazes me just what some supply officer/nco stashes in remote corners:

Two crates of 3.5-inch bazookas, Korean War issue and never been used!

A propeller from a landing craft....at Fort Hood!

And among a stack of replacement gun tubes, two tubes for an M-60A2...glad to see some things just never, ever change!

Yeah some things never change. Went to Ft Picket in '73/4 for LogEx. As a driver I had all kinds of free time. At the time Picket was a ghost fort except for a few areas the VaNG kept up for training purposes, but that was only about 10-15% of the WW2 'temporary' buildings. Those abandoned buildings were OFF LIMITS, but did that stop me and a buddy from exploring Nope..

Old theater coughed up two cases of BAR magazines in the grease.
Tripod for M1919 MG
Base plate for 60mm mortar...

what would have been a battalion HQ building we found some old old FMs, a box of maps (none of which were for the local area I might add)

The Hospital was creepy as we went there late in the day. Trees were growing up through the roof, windows smashed, there was white enamelware everywhere.. urnals, bedpans, washbasins, is what I recall offhand, but we didn't stay long.. pig patrol rolled by and we high tailed it out of there.

But until you jogged the gears and blew some cobwebs away it was a forgotten memory. Some strange things can be found in out of the way places... the theater being the out of placed stuff.

[dragoon500ly]

What amazes me is the sheer number of "never been issued" gear that turns up in the most unlikely of places.

On of my first warehouse audits was at Fort Bragg...where we found a WWII GI issue footlocker, stuffed with OSS manuals, buried in a pile of crates stuffed with winter clothing....in a range control warehouse!

[pmulcahy11b]

I get that thrill every time I start rooting around in the junk room, my closet, or the garage...