Gun questions

[copeab]

The upshot of all that is that there are a LOT of 20-round magazines floating around in the world, and they would likely get issued out later in the Twilight War or be taken off dead enemy troops, civilians, police officers, etc. It's good to know that it will fit in your weapon.

IIRC, the 30-round mags were initially issued to grenadiers using the M203 GL, as the 20-round mags didn't provide a good grip for the hand firing the GL.

[jester]

And the old M14 magazine pouches held 4 20 round magazines where as the ALICE pouches held 3 30 round magazines. And throughout the 80s and 90s you often would get bandoliers that were originaly designed to reload the 20 round magazines, they would have pockets each holding a carboard box of 2 ten round stripper clips with a total of 180 rounds, then the later ones were designed to recharge the 30 round magazines, these were boxes of 3 10 round stripper clips, each badolier holding 210 rounds. In my games, I made this fairly common when my players get new issue ammo.

And yes the 20 rounders are out there. I have had several since the 70s, a freind on a working party in supply ones had access to a embark box full of them. He didn't know that they fit the standard M16A2's we had, otherwise he would have grabbed a few. <He was timid when it came to liberating things from supply, or even asking if they wanted stuff that was never going to be used again>

I recently saw a youtuve clip where a kid in army looking digital uniform and gear was firing a SAW and it was loaded with a 20 round magazine, so even there it will work.

I think its kinda cool to have options, to show different stages of equipment, kinda like breaking out ancient stores or really scrapping the bottom of the barrel. An example, have the local militia or police who are armed with the M16EZ to also be issued with the 20 round magazines, to show that they are on a less than equil status than those in primary combat units.

[Targan]

I think its kinda cool to have options, to show different stages of equipment, kinda like breaking out ancient stores or really scrapping the bottom of the barrel. An example, have the local militia or police who are armed with the M16EZ to also be issued with the 20 round magazines, to show that they are on a less than equil status than those in primary combat units.

I've had exactly this situation in my campaign. I try to fit in an amazing plethora of crappy, barely working weapons in the hands of civilians in my campaign. As I mentioned once in a thread at the old forum the USN SEAL XO of Major Po's unit once had a very near miss from a 17yo kid with a zip gun firing a thoroughly well worn, reloaded-multiple-times 12 gauge shotgun shell packed with bits of iron nails and broken glass.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Any time I've seen or used the SA-80/L85 or the L98A1 (cadet version) or the LSW its always been fitted with a 30 round magazine. It uses standard M16 mags, so I would imageine the old 20 round ones would also fit it.

[jester]

Here is one to toss out,

Since they would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel, have some 10 round magazines floating around from the 1994 Brady Bill. Hey, they could be used for training purposes, or loading them with tracer or blank rounds for firing rifle grenades, whatever reason you can come up with to have your character have a couple 10 round magazines.

[headquarters]

mp 5 and l85

I normally dont get into weapon discussions. I dont know allot about them, and i really just limit myself to their game stats.

But now, i have two questions.

1) The british L85. Why does it only have a magazine capacity of 20 I thought 30 was the default amount. 20 seems kinda low for an assult rifle. Even the calibre is 5.56 - so i wouldnt have thought it was related to bullet size or anything. Anyone explain why the mag only holds 20

2) Kind of a gimmicky question, but genuine just the same. The MP-5 has always been portrayed as a superiour weapon. Special teams (SWAT) use them, they're kinda sexy. From my limted reading the weapon is reliable, a nice weight and it all helps the weapon perform "well". Yet its game stats are average, if you didnt know the names of guns, you coudnt pick the MP-5's stats off the page. Is the MP-5 all its cracked up to be And if so, which stats if any would or should stand out as being above average

L85 takes STANAG mags as already pointed out by others -the M16 mags are unpopular -or were rather back when I trained with it due to the fact that tapping the mag into the well to hard could jam it in there and jam the cation too.The squaddies just to say it was a pos and that the original mags that came with the rifle were superior .In a platoon there would always be a few non descript mags .ar15 types ,probably civillian manufactureres etc floating in the mag-pool so to say for various reasons .Some were swapped in joint traiinig,some were bought and used in secrecy by the squaddie that lost his but didnt want to say anything ,some were mixed up at the quartermasters etc etc .(A GM could give his players faulty mags too-there seem to be more faulty ones than good ones offered on th enet these days anyways)

The MP5 -used to be standard smg for the Norwegian military -still is I suppose- many agencies/militaries use them. They are efficient,reliable ,accurate -as far as SMGs are ,similar in some ways to other HK weapons such as G3 etc .I liked my MP5A3 ( I think it was) with the collapsible stock etc .It was issued to squad leaders who have a AnPRC-77,laser range finder,maps,compass,night vision etc etc to lug around too,drivers,gunners,crew men ,MPs,rear echelon types etc etc .

I liked the small weight,its handy, and the reliability -almost never a jam or other troubles,pretty accurate too up to 100 m .But I remember thinking on the big live fire exercises that the MP5 really is somewhat of a pea shoother compared to the rifles etc in a company -more of a self defence weapon or possibly for trench fighting or some such .

many other smgs are probably just as good or better -but the MP5 is solid.