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    Now that I am back from annual camp (having upset one of the staff at the Royal Armouries by knowing more about the Sten than she did), here is the first of the requested articles.

    As ever nitpicks welcomed.
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    James if you where a girl I'd kiss you!
    Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven.

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    • #3
      Thanks, it's appreciated.

      Nobody spot any errors this time :-)

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      • #4
        Good job - living in the North of Scotland it's nice to see Cock o' the North mentioned.

        Just a couple of minor nitpicks...nothing major

        Tidworth's in Wiltshire, not Yorkshire!

        Also in your final order of battle you have 1st Bn, Queen's Dragoon Guards - as a Cavalry Regiment I don't think they would be classed as a Battalion You've switched between the Queen's Dragoon Guards and the Royal Dragoon Guards a few times...is that a typo Also, if you're using the Royal Dragoon Guards are you using a full post Options for Change order of battle
        Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United Kingdom

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rainbow Six View Post
          Good job - living in the North of Scotland it's nice to see Cock o' the North mentioned.

          Just a couple of minor nitpicks...nothing major

          Tidworth's in Wiltshire, not Yorkshire!

          Also in your final order of battle you have 1st Bn, Queen's Dragoon Guards - as a Cavalry Regiment I don't think they would be classed as a Battalion You've switched between the Queen's Dragoon Guards and the Royal Dragoon Guards a few times...is that a typo Also, if you're using the Royal Dragoon Guards are you using a full post Options for Change order of battle
          Tidworth was going to be Catterick but I changed it and missed the reference.

          QDG I thank has Bns but I may be wrong - I'm an infantryman at heart...

          All references should be QDG nor RDG - will correct.

          Thanks for the input.

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          • #6
            As always James, a joy to read....

            But rap!! I chastise you SIR! Chastise I say!

            The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by James Langham View Post
              Tidworth was going to be Catterick but I changed it and missed the reference.

              QDG I thank has Bns but I may be wrong - I'm an infantryman at heart...

              All references should be QDG nor RDG - will correct.

              Thanks for the input.
              No probs - that all makes sense.

              I'm fairly certain QDG is a single Regiment with the full title 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards (and the nickname the Welsh Cavalry).
              Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United Kingdom

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              • #8
                I have to back up Rainbow on this, it's definitely 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards. All the RAC units are considered Regiments not Battalions (including The Royal Tank Regiment whose units actually were Battalions but picked up the Regiment Nomenclature officially after World War 2).

                James, I think your shorts are great !! That's why I hate to be nit-picky but....
                the 7th along with 4th & 20th Armoured Brigades were Armour Heavy, having 2 Armoured Regiments and 1 Armoured Infantry Bn. The 22nd Ard. Bde. had 2 each. However the BAOR seems to have constantly gone through reorganizations so ........Also the QDG's had settled into the Ard. Recce. role by the early eighties, however right after Options for Change they did re-role to Ard.

                Hope this helps and keep up the good work.
                Louie

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dragoon500ly View Post
                  As always James, a joy to read....

                  But rap!! I chastise you SIR! Chastise I say!

                  Unfortunately I couldn't work in a character who writes opera...

                  Blame Andy McNab's War Torn for the idea.

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                  • #10
                    This thread has just reminded me that I think James Blunt would probably still have been a serving officer in the Life Guards during the Twilight War.

                    (Wiki link added for those who've never heard of him as I have no clue how popular James Blunt is - or isn't - outside the UK)

                    Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United Kingdom

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Louied View Post
                      I have to back up Rainbow on this, it's definitely 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards. All the RAC units are considered Regiments not Battalions (including The Royal Tank Regiment whose units actually were Battalions but picked up the Regiment Nomenclature officially after World War 2).

                      James, I think your shorts are great !! That's why I hate to be nit-picky but....
                      the 7th along with 4th & 20th Armoured Brigades were Armour Heavy, having 2 Armoured Regiments and 1 Armoured Infantry Bn. The 22nd Ard. Bde. had 2 each. However the BAOR seems to have constantly gone through reorganizations so ........Also the QDG's had settled into the Ard. Recce. role by the early eighties, however right after Options for Change they did re-role to Ard.

                      Hope this helps and keep up the good work.
                      Louie
                      Thanks - will change the designation.

                      Organisations are a nightmare, in 2003 (real life) 7th was 2 infantry and 2 armoured units. 2010 real life organisation (which I used as a starting point) was infantry heavy (1+3) and the Survivor's Guide was also infantry heavy (1+2). Given that there is no TA heavy armour I have assumed that some heavy armour was added to them (I need to sit and work out in detail where all British units are). I had re-rolled the QDG to armoured for the same reason (and they are that way in TW2000 - I try and stay as close as I can to canon).

                      I do appreciate the nit picking it improves the articles.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by James Langham View Post
                        Organisations are a nightmare, in 2003 (real life) 7th was 2 infantry and 2 armoured units. 2010 real life organisation (which I used as a starting point) was infantry heavy (1+3) and the Survivor's Guide was also infantry heavy (1+2). Given that there is no TA heavy armour I have assumed that some heavy armour was added to them (I need to sit and work out in detail where all British units are). I had re-rolled the QDG to armoured for the same reason (and they are that way in TW2000 - I try and stay as close as I can to canon).
                        The Arms Plot system really doesn't help here...
                        Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United Kingdom

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rainbow Six View Post
                          This thread has just reminded me that I think James Blunt would probably still have been a serving officer in the Life Guards during the Twilight War.

                          (Wiki link added for those who've never heard of him as I have no clue how popular James Blunt is - or isn't - outside the UK)

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Blunt
                          He actually made it into my background (although not named) based on his comments when he was interviewed about his time in the Army on Top Gear.

                          I will try and find the quote when I have chance.

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                          • #14
                            Cracking work James, I also tracked down your article on the 44th Airborne Brigade which I have just finished reading.

                            One spelling error, you spelt fusiliers as 'fusileers' a couple of times.

                            One further thing you said you used the 2010 ORBAT as the starting off point rather than a Late 80's/early 90's ORBAT, why was this I just enquired because you used the early 80's designation of medical regiments rather than field ambulances.

                            Whats next on the cards
                            Lieutenant John Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.

                            Colour Sergeant Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dude_uk View Post
                              Cracking work James, I also tracked down your article on the 44th Airborne Brigade which I have just finished reading.

                              One spelling error, you spelt fusiliers as 'fusileers' a couple of times.

                              One further thing you said you used the 2010 ORBAT as the starting off point rather than a Late 80's/early 90's ORBAT, why was this I just enquired because you used the early 80's designation of medical regiments rather than field ambulances.

                              Whats next on the cards
                              Will correct spelling errors on next draft - for some reason spelling checker did not pick it up.

                              I used the 2010 orbat simply as it was handy when I started!

                              Next I'm working on an article on British MBTs and variants (unless I find a short article to write as a break!).

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