Homosexuals in the military

[natehale1971]

They aren't actual source. The website is just reposting it from the Associate Press, just as others like msnbc seen here...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38792399...e#.ToUG9WG4cas

That's good... the site is very anti-Semitic and anti-Israel, and I went a head and posted the AP article that showed what happened to the person who was responsible for this isloated action. While this is an isolated incident, there are homosexuals going over the top at Gay Pride Parades and storming churches on so many occassions that it causes police to have to deal with them. And causes the majority of homosexuals to feel horrible because those actions can put them all in a bad light.

And should i repeat the statement, what i'm saying has been told to me by actual Gays who are terrified of this kind of thing happening IRL and it causing problems that will get people killed

[Fusilier]

While this is an isolated incident, there are homosexuals going over the top at Gay Pride Parades and storming churches on so many occassions that it causes police to have to deal with them.

Are they soldiers

[natehale1971]

Are they soldiers

Are you NOT READING what I'm typing or something

With the new policy these kinds of people can now get into the armed forces and MAKE IT AN ISSUE. As it was, it wouldn't be an issue. Because even HETEROSEXUAL sex acts (even nothing more than heavy kissing and petting) being done in public WHILE IN uniform is AGAINST THE UCMJ and military policy.

All it is going to take is ONE idenity Politics activist getting in and DOING THIS.

Are you not getting what I'm saying here is the FEAR of not just me, but of Openingly gay people that I know

[Fusilier]

I'm just asking if they are doing all of this as you say, or is it only speculation on future events.

[natehale1971]

I'm just asking if they are doing all of this as you say, or is it only speculation on future events.

Yes, there are people who are doing this already... because of DADTDP we don't know if they are active duty military when they do it. But there are active duty military who were protesting DADTDP by handcuffing themselves to the fence of the white house, and the Obama administration had the press cleared from the area so they couldn't see it while the Park Police came in and arrested them!

Do a google search for gays storm church. Or a search for gay pride parade sex acts. and you'll find news stories of the kinds of things happening that worries people. The Identity Politic Activists put their single issue ABOVE everything else. My openly gay adopted brother is terrified of something like this happening because of the kind of backlash that will come from it. He was horrified when he saw the news reports of a group of gay activists mob a little grandmother who didn't even try to defend herself, because he was terrified that it could cause a backlash against gays everywhere. He had been involved in activism for gay rights for years before he was pushed out of it by the kind of radicals that I am talking about who are now going to be able to join the armed forces and cause problems.

Don't believe me it can't happen

There are articles about anti-war protestors who have joined the armed forces just so they could use the fact they were active duty to protest the war by going AWOL saying they did not want to participate in 'an illegal war'

when politicans start using the armed forces for political means, it opens up the way for people to come in and do things that will get people killed. And when that happens they try to blame it on the miltiary personnel involved, and not hold those responsible who set things into motion. It's like charging the bullet for the murder that has been committed, while letting the person who pulled the trigger walk.

DADTDP was a policy that allowed homosexuals to serve, and ask any active duty personnel who've served during that period and they'll tell you that they've more than likely known homosexual service members who lived their lives without it having been a problem.

Hell... the first three years of my time in the Navy there wasn't DADTDP, and i knew personally over a hundred gays who served at the various commands I had been assigned too. And in several of those cases, it was an open secret about their sexuality. And as long as they didn't make it an issue it wasn't a problem. Just like Paul has said about his counseling of gay members when he was in.

Need I say again that my gaming group when i was in the navy had a gay couple in it, and that we gamed every day when we were at sea We didn't have the kind of communications methods today back then, so they couldn't have been civilians who played via Sykpe.

[ArmySGT.]

Don't worry SGT, this is the rest of the story...

First I am not after you. However I am going tear this piece a new one.

Army says troops wrongly punished for skipping concert
A staff sergeant erred when he banished dozens of soldiers to their barracks and ordered them to clean up after they refused to attend a Christian concert on a Virginia Army base last year, an investigation concluded.

Took a year to cover their asses and re-assign the guilty, and probably assign some of the wrongfully punished (vocal too) to assignments to appease them.

By STEVE SZKOTAK
The Associated Press
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RICHMOND, Va. " A staff sergeant erred when he banished dozens of soldiers to their barracks and ordered them to clean up after they refused to attend a Christian concert on a Virginia Army base last year, an investigation concluded.

Right. A Staff Sergeant. No one E-7 and above in a trainee unit was aware. .. Really.

When the Army learned the soldiers were punished, the company commander apologized to them the next day, according to the investigation's findings, released Tuesday to The Associated Press.

Ooooooooo sorry about those Civil Rights, ya kinda like those Freedoms you been protecting , but not like the Army says. An Apology. Thats a start, not a completion.

The actions of the staff sergeant, who was not named, were referred back to his battalion commander for nonjudicial action, according to Col. Daniel Williams, a spokesman for the Army's Document and Training Command. He said any punishment, if it occurred, would be kept confidential.

BAM! Your damn skippy it went onto the Battalion Commander. It is not a Trial! There will be no Witnesses, NO Examination, No Cross Examination, and No Jury. The Guilty never even set foot in Court.
Total and Complete SHAM.

The sergeant's actions in May 2010 at Fort Eustis in Newport News, Va., were not consistent with the voluntary nature of the concerts, Williams said.
"The command did not find sufficient evidence to indicate there was any malicious intent and therefore deferred any discipline down to the battalion command," Williams said.

Bullshit. The CoC was involved, if you dont find Jesus, you wont find promotion. That Staff Sergeant had many layers between him and the Company Commander. Let alone the CO probably want to oeShow more participation, in front of the CG.

Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which first reported complaints by the soldiers, described the investigation's conclusion as typical for the military.
"Blame some lower-ranking enlisted guy who didn't know any better," he said. "That is just a completely inappropriate and disgraceful statement."

Consistent with my experience.

Weinstein called the Christian concerts "an absolute attempt to establish fundamental Christianity in the military."

I am just surprised it has been allowed to come out of the background. Little tidbits like the ACOG scandal make you realize how broad it is.

Williams described them as "nondenominational with no particular religious affiliation."

Why am I funding this! This is tax payer money, and Army budget! That damn money should have been spent on training ammo, better Leadership schools, more vehicles, better Single Soldier housing, buying Training land in areas similar to where wars are fought now.
I am seething. So angry I am having a hard time typing.

Two soldiers who were punished told the AP they felt pressured to attend a performance by the Christian rock group BarlowGirl, as part of what was billed as the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts."

I am sure that it was hinted at by all Levels of their Command. Make the CG happy, get your ticket punched.
Mandatory fun day has become mandatory Jesus camp day.

The soldiers said the staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain confined there. They were told to not use their cellphones or personal computers and to clean up their living area.
The investigation did not dispute the soldiers' statements.

Uh, huh. You can tailor your questions to get a specific range of answers. It is something you learn so you dont make a mistake, however it is a tool if one is being disingenuous.

Williams said the concerts, which continue to be staged, are strictly voluntary, as they had been in May 2010.

Why are they continuing! Why! The US Army is not a spiritual force. There are Chaplains and Chapels to serve for those that desire it, however the US Army is not Gods Army. This flies completely in the face of the Anti-Establishment Clause . Being Cheeky by naming is a spiritual anything, when it is clearly Evangelical and intended to be from the start.

The sergeant, Williams said, "marched a unit over to the Spiritual Fitness Concert thinking he was doing the right thing. He found out a very short time after that, no, that was not the right thing to do. He was corrected."
About 20, including several Muslims, refused to attend based on religious beliefs, the solder said.
Since then, the Army has reinforced the volunteer nature of the concerts through e-mails and training, Williams said.

Punishments were likely suspended (cant remember what it is called) and he was shuffled around for a bit. Then he will be rewarded for being a good ol boy. I expect he will retire as an E-8 if he keeps out of the Papers.

[natehale1971]

If you think that story is bad SGT... here's something from the other end of the spectrum (and from things i've heard, it's not the first time something like this has happened).

Firefighters forced into 'gay' parade win case
Jury finds San Diego subjected 4 to 'simulated sex acts' in 2007 event

18 February 2009

Four San Diego firefighters who were ordered by their department to appear in the city's 2007 homosexual "Pride Parade" have been awarded $5,000 each for emotional damages from the event, where they were forced to witness "simulated sex acts."

"Government employees should never be forced to participate in events or acts that violate their sincerely held beliefs," said Charles LiMandri, the West Coast regional director for the Thomas More Law Center. He's also affiliated with the Alliance Defense Fund.

"We are pleased with the jury's verdict recognizing the firefighters' right to abstain from activities that they consider morally offensive and that subject them to harassment," LiMandri said.

The jury verdict yesterday came in the case brought by Capt. John Ghiotto and firefighters Jason Hewitt, Alex Kane and Chad Allison.

Ghiotto was awarded $14,200, with $5,000 for emotional distress, while others were awarded $5,000 apiece, according to KGTV-TV in San Diego.

LiMandri said the main goal was that firefighters, all Christians, no longer will be subjected to such treatment.

The firefighters had been ordered to participate in the July 21, 2007, promotion of homosexuality and explicit sex.

WND reported earlier when attorney LiMandri made clear the liability held by the city of San Diego.

"These men were sexually harassed in clear violation of San Diego's sexual harassment code," LiMandri said. "Further, the California Constitution's freedom of speech provision prohibits compelled speech. What the firefighters were ordered to do was endorse what goes on at this parade through their participation in it."

The case detailed how the firefighters were sexually harassed through lewd cat calls and obscene gestures at the event, which was replete with sexual displays and graphic images.

The men then suffered harassment and retaliation after complaining to superiors, the complaint said.

"Many people may mistakenly think the 'gay pride' parade is merely a 'fun' event," said ADF Senior Counsel Joe Infranco, who is co-counsel in the case. "They never would have imagined the crude sexual harassment these firefighters were forced to endure. But in truth, the goal of homosexual behavior advocates is to undermine society's long-held values. They continue to seek this, whether by demanding participation in 'gay pride' parades or by trampling the democratic process to redefine marriage."

Following the launch of the lawsuit, the city changed its fire department policy so firefighters no longer will be forced to participate in the promotion.

LiMandri said the firefighters had expressed concerns before the parade about the sexual harassment prevalent there and said they did not want to appear to be endorsing homosexuality, which violated their own religious beliefs.

Instead of recognizing the concerns, the city "informed my clients that if they did not march, they could face disciplinary action."

It was the second trial. The first, in October, ended when only eight jurors agreed the firefighters had been mistreated. Nine are needed for an affirmative decision. LiMandri said the October trial left disturbing results, including a judge's ruling that the firefighters' freedom of speech was not violated.

"This was the case even though the courts have consistently held that participation in a gay pride parade is a form of constitutionally protected expressive conduct, and the right to speak on a controversial public issue includes the right not to be compelled to speak," he said.


Ghiotto reported in a statement, "While moving down the parade route we were subjected to verbal abuse, (show me your hose, you can put out my fire, give me mouth to mouth, flick you fireman) sexual gestures, (showing their penis, blowing kisses, grabbing their crotch, rubbing their nipples, tongue gestures, flipping us off)."

San Diego's fire chief, Tracy Jarman, is an open lesbian who called the parade a "fun event" in which "all employees are encouraged to participate."

Ghiotto had reported, "We were subject to this type of abuse and more throughout the parade route. You could not even look at the crowd without getting some type of sexual gesture. Even the Christian protesters were giving us grief for being a part of this. The experience left me feeling humiliated, embarrassed and offended.

"If any of my crew or I were to hang up pictures at the station of what we saw, we would be disciplined!" the firefighter said.

[Fusilier]

Yes, there are people who are doing this already... because of DADTDP we don't know if they are active duty military when they do it.

I'm not sure I follow. You say soldiers are acting out and doing acts of social disobedience... but don't know if they were active duty They are unidentified

But there are active duty military who were protesting DADTDP by handcuffing themselves to the fence of the white house, and the Obama administration had the press cleared from the area so they couldn't see it while the Park Police came in and arrested them!

Do you have a source for that

Don't believe me it can't happen (about gays storming churches)

No, I didn't say that. I'm not interested in civilians though. I'm discussing gays in the military since I am interested about the current situation within the forces.

DADTDP was a policy that allowed homosexuals to serve...

...until they were discovered by a superior or someone who didn't support with their orientation

And as long as they didn't make it an issue it wasn't a problem.

That's great to hear. I'm happy to know there are people like that. I'm disturbed though that others were not so open minded and it resulted in the end of careers for some people.

Need I say again that my gaming group when i was in the navy had a gay couple in it.

Not at all. I don't have an issue or any questions relating to your personal experiences with gays.

[natehale1971]

What You don't remember when 12 service members were protesting and the Obama White House ordered the Park Police to force the Press to get as far away as they could so they couldn't record what was happening

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002942-503544.html

As for not knowing if they were active duty... the fact that there were people at gay pride parades wearing military uniforms doing some really strange things, and that no one was able to find out if they were active military isn't that hard to understand.

[Fusilier]

What You don't remember...

I don't recall saying I didn't remember. I asked for a source. Please try to not put words in my mouth okay

[natehale1971]

I don't recall saying I didn't remember. I asked for a source. Please try to not put words in my mouth okay

then try to have the same curtosy for others.

[Fusilier]

As for not knowing if they were active duty... the fact that there were people at gay pride parades wearing military uniforms doing some really strange things, and that no one was able to find out if they were active military isn't that hard to understand.

There seems to be some confusion. I asked about a source about the white house hand cuffs. However, I was then referring to this (which was the focal point)...

While this is an isolated incident, there are homosexuals going over the top at Gay Pride Parades and storming churches on so many occassions that it causes police to have to deal with them.

I then asked, "Are they soldiers"

So, I am asking did soldiers participate in the storming of churches Or is the most heinous thing they did was handcuff themselves to the railing before the ban was lifted

[Fusilier]

then try to have the same curtosy for others.

If you point out where I did I will be happy to.

[natehale1971]

If you point out where I did I will be happy to.

Then re-read the thread because i'm really getting tired of repeating myself. And I am not going to further hijack this thread. The Internet is FULL of news stories from valid news agencies that have covered this subject over the years. San Fran is notorious for the kinds of things happening that worries NOT JUST ME, but many in the Gay Community happening in the armed forces that will cause problems that will get people killed. If you can't understand that, then i'm sorry.

Now let's get this thread back on the subject of Female Combat Personnel.

[Legbreaker]

It appears some heads are getting a bit hot here.
May I suggest stepping away from the keyboard for about an hour and letting a bit of steam off elsewhere before responding

And don't forget your helmet - the sky may fall what with me being a voice of reason!