Belize

[James Langham]

Anyone have any canon references to Belize

[Targan]

An army marches on its Belize

[ArmySGT.]

An army marches on its Belize

[kalos72]

General Pain did a Belize guide once...i tried to upload it here but it failed. Search his hisotry...

[Legbreaker]

I believe there's only reference to Belize in Merc:2000 and/or the Gazetter. It's not exactly T2K, but I can't think of too many reasons why it can't still be incorporated in some form or other.

[James Langham]

Thanks guys, didn't think there were any. Having reread "The Long Reach" by Mike Lunnon-Wood I have a few plans...

[Rainbow Six]

You're probably aware of this, but on the off chance that you're not Rowland White (same guy who wrote Vulcan 607) wrote a non fiction work about Belize called Phoenix Squadron which may be of some use.

[boogiedowndonovan]

Anyone have any canon references to Belize

Like Legbreaker said, the closest would be the Merc 2000 Gazetter entry for Belize. Neighboring Guatemala claims that Belize is actually part of Guatemala and sends in the troops. The Belize Defense Forces respond, the UK raises some mercs, as does the US. I can't remember the specifics but the implication was that the US air mobile group is actually paid for by US oil companies.

Here's a wikipedia entry on the real life Guatemala/Belize dispute:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_claim_to_Belizean_territory

Anyone know what real life UK forces were stationed in Belize in 1994

and would the invasion of Belize even happen in T2K Guatemala with US support was fighting a communist style insurgency in the 80's.

[dude_uk]

The forces posted in 1994 are probably more a reflection of the budget cuts of the 1990's, rather than actually helping defend Belize against Guatamala. During the 1980's there were 1,500.

Here's a rough ORBAT that I came up with:


633 (Belize) Signals Troop RSIGS

1 X Infantry Battalion / 1x Infantry Company (Depending on political climate)

Battery Royal Artillery
Blowpipe Troop, 43 AD Battery

52 Field Sqn RE

~Detachment- 7 Regiment AAC

24 Transport Sqn RCT (Until 1992)

78 (BELIZE) Coy RAOC (Until 1992)

(Belize) Provost Plt RMP

[Rainbow Six]

There was also a Royal Air Force presence

Six Harriers were stationed in Belize from 1977 until July 1993, initially as Harrier Detachment (Hardet) Belize which became 1417 Flight.

1563 Flight operated the Puma helicopter until it was withdrawn in 1994.

[Olefin]

Some of the draw down was also that Guatemala began to accept the fact that Belize could exist as an independent nation, whereas in the 1980' there was a real chance that Guatemala would invade the country.

Now given the state of Britain by say 1998 that could easily change.

By the way one thing to take into account would be the effect of Hurricane Mitch in late 1998 on the whole of Central America and how that would affect an area that already would be reeling from the affects of the war.

(i.e. keep in mind that the only Central American nation besides Mexico producing any oil would be Guatemala - so the only way for them to run vehicles would be either methanol or ethanal - here comes Mitch and a lot of damage to agriculture so there goes the ethanol)

[kato13]

(i.e. keep in mind that the only Central American nation besides Mexico producing any oil would be Guatemala - so the only way for them to run vehicles would be either methanol or ethanal - here comes Mitch and a lot of damage to agriculture so there goes the ethanol)

If you are going for realism, methanol production will not work as it does in the game. While it makes for interesting gameplay it is not possible given chemical and biological restrictions. I still cringe a bit whenever i see someone mention it in a discussion of large scale post apocalyptic logistics. I understand it counters canon, but to me it is actually less realistic than zombies.

For more information see here http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.phpt=226

[pmulcahy11b]

General Pain did a Belize guide once...i tried to upload it here but it failed. Search his hisotry...

I have a PDF of a website someone did in the past about Central america in T2K called "Copan" -- sadly, I have failed so far in contacting the author. He has some interesting stuff about Central america.

I actually have several PDFs of lost websites, but only one person (TR) has given me permission to post his site.

[pmulcahy11b]

If you are going for realism, methanol production will not work as it does in the game. While it makes for interesting gameplay it is not possible given chemical and biological restrictions. I still cringe a bit whenever i see someone mention it in a discussion of large scale post apocalyptic logistics. I understand it counters canon, but to me it is actually less realistic than zombies.

For more information see here http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.phpt=226

Has anyone with a science background done some research into how it really works Would it work at all for game purposes

[Olefin]

You have to assume there has been a lot of Twilight 2000 material that has been lost over the years - the most tantalizing being what was supposed to be in the last magazine that was never published that would have finally touched on conditions in Australia

plus there had to be authors at GDW besides Frank Frey who were working on modules - i.e. his incomplete Kenya module

As for realism - you have to wonder if the designers even had anyone with a science background as part of their team

They defnitely were lacking in knowledge on naval warfare for sure (as anyone who has ever read Satellite Down, the RDF or anywhere else the canon deals with the USN)