The T2K/Merc WIKI

[General Pain]

does it exist

or do any here know how to make one

I got the idea from here

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

[kato13]

I have seriously considered making one.

I was thinking of building something after the DC working group starts releasing their info. Using that as a core I was hoping to build state/county or province/city wiki for the whole T2k world. The biggest concern with any wiki is copyrighted material so hopefully we could avoid that.

If you guys want to give me ideas I can see if it is possible to merge a wiki easily with this forum.

[Targan]

The biggest concern with any wiki is copyrighted material so hopefully we could avoid that.

93 Games Studio is the current rights holder for Twilight, yes They're not unreasonable people in my experience. Or is the copyright for the original T2K timeline still the original authors'

[Snake Eyes]

93 Games merely has a license from the current owner to develop games. They are not the copyright holder. At least not in my understanding of intellectual property management.

[Rainbow Six]

There's this...not strictly speaking wiki...

http://twilight2000.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_2000_Wiki

[kato13]

The legal issues are what have totally prevented me from getting serious about this. I believe the work of the DC working group falls into a gray area between "Fair Use" and "Derivative Work". Given the amount of time and research that went into it, it could be considered a totally new work.

That is why i thought it might be a good starting point (if they were gracious enough to let us use it in that way). From my perspective however, it would be safer to call it a post-apocalyptic wiki and not use the names of any named characters, nor any text from any published game source.

My post-apocalyptic community wiki idea came out of my Morrow plans. I wanted to use freely available information like census, agricultural, crime, and business stats as a core. Adding the locations from my mapping database to provide a prewar view of what was near a particular community. I would then leave it up to the wiki users to decide what the post war fate was. Fleshing out any details they wanted to. I still think it is a good, completely legal protected idea. Hopefully something will come of it soon.

[Targan]

93 Games merely has a license from the current owner to develop games. They are not the copyright holder. At least not in my understanding of intellectual property management.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. I am a bit lacking in my knowledge of how copyright works.

[Targan]

RDG Marine, one of the regulars at the 93 Games Studio forums (he could be one of us for all I know) has in his sig a link to "The New Twilight 2000 Wiki" followed by the line "Help add to it". Maybe we should talk to him about collaborating rather than starting a new one from scratch Couldn't hurt eh

[kato13]

RDG Marine, one of the regulars at the 93 Games Studio forums (he could be one of us for all I know) has in his sig a link to "The New Twilight 2000 Wiki" followed by the line "Help add to it". Maybe we should talk to him about collaborating rather than starting a new one from scratch Couldn't hurt eh

As it exists already it should of course be looked at. Given it only has 112 articles (and quite a few are 2013 related) if there are any glaring limitations now is also the time to look for other options.

To be honest I don't know that wiki software/company very well, so I cannot say what my opinion is either way.

[chico20854]

I'm all for collaborating with the existing Wiki. I'm tickled pink that they have a link to my page featured prominently (and also one to the Big Book of War! But why not Paul's site) I won't be able to contribute actively, as the backlog of writing that we've got is overwhelming. To wiki-fy the background information we have would take a massive amount of work - for example, we have over 875 ships and boats in our USN database, and we are still developing histories for most of them.

I'll be working on the Survivor's Guide to the USA all weekend now... good fun!

[kato13]

To wiki-fy the background information we have would take a massive amount of work - for example, we have over 875 ships and boats in our USN database, and we are still developing histories for most of them.

That is another reason I am thinking of building my own wiki. On my local boxes I can manipulate data and populate databases about 20 times faster when compared to submitting them to a wiki which is outside of my control.

If we combine my 3000 county files with your ships and divisions there will be multiple thousands of wiki elements. Even with automation that I can probably script out, it would still be a much more major hassle to put them into an external box.

[General Pain]

I'm all for collaborating with the existing Wiki. I'm tickled pink that they have a link to my page featured prominently (and also one to the Big Book of War! But why not Paul's site) I won't be able to contribute actively, as the backlog of writing that we've got is overwhelming. To wiki-fy the background information we have would take a massive amount of work - for example, we have over 875 ships and boats in our USN database, and we are still developing histories for most of them.

I'll be working on the Survivor's Guide to the USA all weekend now... good fun!

Ifound it strange too that PAuls or Antennas site was mentioned....

[kato13]

Bumping as this is related to the Fictional Character NPC thread

I have taken a second look at

http://twilight2000.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_2000_Wiki

Some people really seem to be working on building it. It was at 112 articles 6 weeks ago and is at 242 articles today.

If i were to build a general wiki like this one, by the time I finished this resource would be well established and I would not want to directly compete with them.

I think if people want a general game wiki (all versions) this is probably the best choice for now.

If for some reason either a NPC database or the DC working groups stuff does not mesh with this wiki. I can still build a repository for that information. If it does mesh, I can probably build scripts to place volumes of information from the DC group into the wiki, as no one would want to enter 300 soviet divisions by hand.

I will also look at a way to back up the wiki's information as it appears to be out of a fan's control and i would hate to lose all that data if the controlling corp decides to just pull the plug someday. That was my biggest fear before recommending such a site.

[General Pain]

regarding t2k wiki

I think it would be better if the designers on this forum write the new wiki.

The work on the big bok of war can easily be copied over to a wiki.

And it would leave the controll of the wiki to us here.

But someone has to get the ball rolling...'

can anyone explain how to build the wiki

[kato13]

I think it would be better if the designers on this forum write the new wiki.

The work on the big bok of war can easily be copied over to a wiki.

And it would leave the controll of the wiki to us here.

But someone has to get the ball rolling...'

can anyone explain how to build the wiki

I'm willing to do it but it will take some time.

IMO the software is really a no brainer. Wikipedia's software is free. Many people are comfortable with wikipedia's editing system and it has tons of flexibility.

Bandwidth becomes the next issue. I have lost my two best free hosting options recently and I am not sure I want to overload my home line (which this forum runs on).

If we have both sites (the forum and the wiki) on the same server I should be able to unify the logins easily as there is already software. That may not be a serious issue but it might be convenient.

These have been some of the issues I have been thinking about for the past few weeks and I don't have answers to many of the questions yet.