Way OT - 5th edition of D&D on the way

[raketenjagdpanzer]

IIRC once Unearthed Arcana came out Paladins were treated as a type of Cavalier rather than a fighter. So if they lost their Paladin status they became a Cavalier of equal level.

Dammit, and I'd promised myself that I wouldn't buy into this thread!

Yeah; it also let half-elves become paladins (since 1/2e could be Cavaliers, too).

Never much used UA.

[Cdnwolf]

I have the pdf of most of the pathfinder and ver 4 of the game.

[Webstral]

The AD&D paladin:

can lay on hands for 2 HP/level, 1x daily (every 24 hours)

is immune to any disease

Can detect evil at a range of 60'

can cure any disease 1 time per week for every 5 levels

has a permanent protection from evil circle 10' surrounding him

at 4th level can call for a special, intelligent warhorse which will serve him unless he breaks his paladin oath. If the beast dies it is a set amount of time before he can call it again

at 3rd level can begin turning undead/evil as a cleric 2x levels below (so starting at 3rd, as a 1st level cleric, at 4th a 2nd level, etc.)

at 9th level can begin to cast clerical spells, starting as a 1st level cleric, going through 20th level, casting up to 4th level cleric spells.

MUST tithe 10% of treasure to a lawful good church/cause (cannot be another PC)

CANNOT have more than 10 magic items

If they act in an unlawful way, they must perform a special quest for their God to regain paladin status, otherwise they are a fighter of the appropriate level. If they continue to commit chaotic acts and change alignment they will forever be a "mere" fighter.

They cannot adventure with evil alignments.

They cannot adventure with true neutral types, except on a single adventure (e.g., a lone jaunt to the dungeon).

Their hit dice and to-hit chart is that of a fighter.

They must have a minimum 12 strength, 9 intelligence, 13 wisdom, 9 constitution and 17 charisma

If a Paladin has a Holy Sword, they project a circle of power 10' in diameter through which all magic is dispelled. They have to draw and hold the sword.

Paladins make ALL saving throws at +2

They have a range of 23 kilometers and can fire all conventional munitions as well as binary nerve and biological agents. Wait, shit, wrong Paladin. Otherwise, as written

Thanks for this. A while ago I had an idea that would land me in hot water with some Christians. Surely there are/could be Muslim paladins. For that matter, Jewish paladins, Hindu paladins, animist paladins, etc. Okay, maybe the animist paladin idea is stretching things, pending more thinking about whether any shamanic faith lends itself to a lawful good deity. But surely all of the Abrahamic faiths can have paladins.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Thanks for this. A while ago I had an idea that would land me in hot water with some Christians. Surely there are/could be Muslim paladins. For that matter, Jewish paladins, Hindu paladins, animist paladins, etc. Okay, maybe the animist paladin idea is stretching things, pending more thinking about whether any shamanic faith lends itself to a lawful good deity. But surely all of the Abrahamic faiths can have paladins.

Gary lifted the Paladin almost wholly from Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson*. It's a fantasy story (duh) but sandwiched in a delicious cookie of WWII fightin'. In the story, the main character (Holger du Danske) meets up with a Saracen paladin. Can't think for a moment that it'd be "wrong" to have a paladin of a nonchristian faith. For that matter, no AD&D deities are "our" God, so by default they're not Christian.

...

*=who wrote some ripping post-apocalypse sci-fi, including a novella where the forces of Denver conquer a race of psionics hell-bent on using the civilians of the west coast to reestablish a hegemonic one-state government in the post-bomb US... so there's your On-Topicness for this post

[Webstral]

Can't think for a moment that it'd be "wrong" to have a paladin of a nonchristian faith. For that matter, no AD&D deities are "our" God, so by default they're not Christian.

I agree that the D&D dieties aren't the Christian God, but somehow the idea of paladin seems to have drifted over time.

[ArmySGT.]

Man,

No I want to play an Anti-Paladin again. Something cool about playing a guy masquerading as a mere lowly fighter. With a habit for using multi part poisons. So your "hero" can eat and drink with the mayor, but everyone drops dead after the "hero" goes home and the candles are lit.



Muh ha ha ha haha

[copeab]

I think it's safe to say that the real competition for D&D is not Pathfinder, Hero, GURPS, World of Darkness, etc., but World of Warcraft, Angry Birds, the Wii, Call of Duty, etc.

Pen and paper games are losing to electronic games and, frankly, I'm not sure how the trend can be reversed.

(much how paper books are losing ground to audio and electronic books).

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I think it's safe to say that the real competition for D&D is not Pathfinder, Hero, GURPS, World of Darkness, etc., but World of Warcraft, Angry Birds, the Wii, Call of Duty, etc.

Pen and paper games are losing to electronic games and, frankly, I'm not sure how the trend can be reversed.

(much how paper books are losing ground to audio and electronic books).

Yeah, you're essentially right. WotC has bungled in its attempts to stem the tide by merging the hobbies with it's "electronic table-top" (DDE DDI) and 4e had no computer titles release for it at all, the first time a D&D ruleset hasn't had a corresponding CRPG since 1988. Think about that one for a second...!

Honestly I think we (as RPers) are at this point where chit-and-hex and Napoleonics were in 1973 when rumors started to abound about this thing coming out of G&K/Tactical Studies Rules ...

[Cdnwolf]

I find that the electronics help because the good old gang are all married, with kids and scattered around the country and skype and online games are the only way we keep in touch. (Thank God for shows like The Bachelor and American Idol .... keeps the wife out of my hair when I game.)

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I find that the electronics help because the good old gang are all married, with kids and scattered around the country and skype and online games are the only way we keep in touch. (Thank God for shows like The Bachelor and American Idol .... keeps the wife out of my hair when I game.)

One of the guys in my Friday night AD&D game lives like 10 minutes from me. His daughter normally comes over and spends the night with mine while we play and she fell ill this past game-day, so he just Skype'd in to the game. All went very well.

[Odie]

Just used Windows Live Messenger this last saturday to play Pathfinder.

[weswood]

For that matter, no AD&D deities are "our" God, so by default they're not Christian.

I once had a player who played a Christian cleric. Only one in the world until he made some converts....

BTW what is Pathfinder Several posts have mentioned it but I've never heard of it.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I once had a player who played a Christian cleric. Only one in the world until he made some converts....

BTW what is Pathfinder Several posts have mentioned it but I've never heard of it.

It is a continuation of D&D 3rd edition made by Paizo Press. They add enough of their own unique "stuff" to constitute a whole new d20 based game. It has actually outsold D&D 4e a few business quarters (which considering the general suckyness of D&D4 is is probably why 5e was announced only 4 years after 4e debuted).

[headquarters]

truly old school references there

Yeah, you're essentially right. WotC has bungled in its attempts to stem the tide by merging the hobbies with it's "electronic table-top" (DDE DDI) and 4e had no computer titles release for it at all, the first time a D&D ruleset hasn't had a corresponding CRPG since 1988. Think about that one for a second...!

Honestly I think we (as RPers) are at this point where chit-and-hex and Napoleonics were in 1973 when rumors started to abound about this thing coming out of G&K/Tactical Studies Rules ...

Napoleonics - I think I read about it in a brief history of Avalon Hill games or some such..that was in a boxed set I bought in the 80s..

Well - pencil and paper might be limping along the stragglers straggler among electronic devices etc-

sort of like the sabre at the advent of the repeating rifle. Today automatic weapons are of such capacity that the designers of the original repeaters probably wouldnt believet it. But swordfighting is still an art - and the sword is still carried in some respects..Meaning an iconic thing will not disappear that quickly.

I think I will be able to rustle up a few players 30 years from now when I retire..loads of FtFs up ahead