US Army wants new hand gun

[rcaf_777]

Who want to take bets that in three to five years when there is a budget cruch, this program will be canceled

[waiting4something]

If this is anything like the M4A1 carbine replacement trial, you might be right. The military just had too much invested in the M16 series rifle. The U.S.M.C. had just not to long ago upgraded to the Beretta M9A1, so they aren't getting away from it. Even if the Army did replace it would be a slow transition just like the M9 was to the M1911A1. If it's not broke don't fix it, and if you do try to fix it......... make sure it's worth it.

[rcaf_777]

lets not forget pistols for most coventional army units are not primary weapons but a PDW issued as back up weapons. Unlike police and spec ops pers who use them as primary weapons.

Not to meation how much dose the US Army spend on 9mm purchases in a year You think those companies are going to let the Army change the round they make

On a side note the Canadain Military has released a contact for new handgun system, however all biders where told the you have to had over your designs to Colt Canada as they will making the new handgun.

I am hoping for the Colt Delta Elite but if we adopt the Colt Officer's ACP which is a .45, I might be able to trade for a M1 if I go on exchange to the US

[CDAT]

When the US Army turned in there old 1911's does anyone know what happened to them Maybe we could do what the Army wanted back in the 80's and just refurbished them.

[stormlion1]

I believe they were either sold at auction to Law Enforcement agency's or foreign governments, Stockpiled away inside of armory's and forgotten about, or destroyed. I remember back in the mid-90's we still had some still in the armory rusting away.

[.45cultist]

Given to Turkey, sold to clubs through DCM/CMP, 300,000 destroyed at the Alabama arsenal, along with a lot of M14's. Just another reason to dislike the president of the time!

[pmulcahy11b]

When the US Army turned in there old 1911's does anyone know what happened to them Maybe we could do what the Army wanted back in the 80's and just refurbished them.

We still had 1911s at my first duty station as Stewart, but I didn't see one that wasn't beat to shit. (Sorry for my language, but it's appropriate in this case.) That was mid-1980s. I couldn't see them refurbished then, let alone now.

[Tegyrius]

Not to meation how much dose the US Army spend on 9mm purchases in a year You think those companies are going to let the Army change the round they make

Because, uh, none of them can re-tool their lines to produce .45

- C.

[bobcat]

Unfortunately, the problem is, and will always be, the military needs a "one size fits all" handgun because not everyone meets the requirements for the M1911 (as in hand size and physical abilities to control the recoil).

actually the M1911 is essentially "one size fits all" my arthritic grandmother can easily handle it. the limited magazine does pose some issues in a close quarters fight. but given how few people have big enough hands for a double stacked .45ACP you can't really issue one with a higher capacity that your average combat soldier can use given that for some reason most of the people i've encountered in combat arms are rather scrawny (makes us harder to shoot ).

[bobcat]

though granted i still say there should be a position for a "terminal E-4" in every branch acquisition office to provide common sense to the minds behind every dumb idea they push on us. after all a soldier who know's he's never getting promoted has no problem telling a staff officer that there is a reason why every unit that can scam an excuse to is deploying with M1911's rather than the MK23 or M9.

he might also want to provide some "wall to wall counseling" to the guy that thought a 30lbs, flammable, IBA that provides no circulation was a good idea when faced with IED's in a dessert.

[copeab]

The magazine doesn't have to go in the hand grip ...

[Targan]

The magazine doesn't have to go in the hand grip ...

Yes indeed. The 5.7mm FN PDW and the G11 both have novel magazine positions. The latter is a rifle obviously but the FN PDW isn't all that larger than a pistol.

[Webstral]

This is a little tangential, but the comment about practice resonated with me. The US Army has huge sums of money for all kinds of marginal frippery, but the Army gets very stingy when it comes to ammunition for practicing. It's absurd. The Army would rather ship mountains of ammunition into combat areas than fire half a mountain in training deep in the rear. How many casualties are caused by rifle fire is only one consideration. Soldiers who are confident in their ability to handle their primary weapon are better soldiers in general as a result. Confidence and the habits instilled by constant training yield major dividends when the soldier is subjected to the stress of combat. A little ammunition goes much further when the rifleman has been habituated to firing aimed shots.

We've had this discussion about having a Marksmanship Corps and a Physical Fitness Corps so that the fundamentals of soldiering are being taught by people dedicated to nothing else, so I won't belabor the point here.

[CDAT]

Yes indeed. The 5.7mm FN PDW and the G11 both have novel magazine positions. The latter is a rifle obviously but the FN PDW isn't all that larger than a pistol.

If by FN PDW you are talking about the FN P90 it has a 10.1 to 10.4 inch barrel (depending on source) and a full stock. I have one of the civilian legal ones (only visable differance is the 16 inch barrel) and it is much larger than any pistol that I have ever seen. If you are talking about the FN 5.7 Pistol it has it magazine in the normal location.

[copeab]

If by FN PDW you are talking about the FN P90 it has a 10.1 to 10.4 inch barrel (depending on source) and a full stock. I have one of the civilian legal ones (only visable differance is the 16 inch barrel) and it is much larger than any pistol that I have ever seen. If you are talking about the FN 5.7 Pistol it has it magazine in the normal location.

I was thinking about the C 96 Mauser.