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  • Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
    Not sure where this came from not sure if it is movie prop or something the the US Army was testing.

    Are those AGM-114 Hellfire or AGM-65 Maverick missiles
    ArmySGT's right. There is no CLU (command/launch guidance unit) in the system, and firing the missiles from that truck would blow ALL of the windows out. I'd say it's photoshopped too.

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    • Originally posted by rcaf_777 View Post
      Not sure where this came from not sure if it is movie prop or something the the US Army was testing.

      Are those AGM-114 Hellfire or AGM-65 Maverick missiles
      Hellfire: The Swedes use a ground mount version of it for various things.

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      • Originally posted by Panther Al View Post
        Hellfire: The Swedes use a ground mount version of it for various things.
        Primarily an anti-ship missile, as the RBS 17. It's a modified (by Bofors) AGM-114A. The intent was to use them against landing craft to allow longer-ranged weapons to focus on other ships. The warhead was modified for this role, detonating after penetration of the hull, so it wouldn't be as effective in an anti-vehicular role. Norway had some as well (I don't know if they still do).
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        • Originally posted by Panther Al View Post
          Hellfire: The Swedes use a ground mount version of it for various things.
          How is it targeted.
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          • Originally posted by lordroel View Post
            How is it targeted.
            Laser designation. Except for the Longbow variant (AGM-114L, which is radar-guided), all Hellfires are laser-guided. The designator does not have to be at the same location as the launcher; as long as the missile can see the dot, it'll go for it. This also gives it limited re-targeting capability, since if the dot is moved to a different target within the field of view, the missile will steer accordingly.
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            • My guess is that the pic is 9th ID HTLD. They were doing a lot of stuff with CUCVs in the mid-80s as they waited to receive HMMWVs. They had a ground launched hellfire unit. The unit expected to receive UAVs, so they used surrogate manned aircraft, which likely included laser designation capability. They also had forward lasing teams to designate targets.

              The 22 meg file in the second link is worth a read. There's a terrible pic at the back that looks like a CUCV firing a Hellfire to me...



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              • Originally posted by The Dark View Post
                Laser designation. Except for the Longbow variant (AGM-114L, which is radar-guided), all Hellfires are laser-guided. The designator does not have to be at the same location as the launcher; as long as the missile can see the dot, it'll go for it. This also gives it limited re-targeting capability, since if the dot is moved to a different target within the field of view, the missile will steer accordingly.
                So could one designator be use to home in more than one missile into a target at once.
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                • Originally posted by The Dark View Post
                  Laser designation. Except for the Longbow variant (AGM-114L, which is radar-guided), all Hellfires are laser-guided. The designator does not have to be at the same location as the launcher; as long as the missile can see the dot, it'll go for it. This also gives it limited re-targeting capability, since if the dot is moved to a different target within the field of view, the missile will steer accordingly.
                  They never thought of making a GPS-guided version

                  EDIT: Just remembered that GPS guidance doesn't work well against moving targets.
                  Last edited by pmulcahy11b; 02-19-2017, 10:50 AM. Reason: Remembered something
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                  • Originally posted by pmulcahy11b View Post
                    They never thought of making a GPS-guided version

                    EDIT: Just remembered that GPS guidance doesn't work well against moving targets.
                    That, and Hellfire only has a 5 mile range. It's less than 2 seconds from weapon release to maximum range, so you're talking about potentially very short lasing times. The shortest-ranged weapon I can think of with GPS guidance is the AGM-176 Griffin, which has ~12-15 miles of range when air-launched.
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                    • A lot of these limited issue/experimental light vehicles could be placed in in the 9th LMD, which would still have its experimental mission by the early 1990s.

                      Light armor could be placed into the 82nd and light infantry units, and rumors like the Rangers having about a platoon worth of Wiesels fior testing and a single Stryker for testing could be included, along with SOCOM-type HUMWWVs and Ninja Jeeps.
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                      • Paul has the Colt cmg 2 listed in the 'best that never was' weapons list, but what about the cmg 3 https://youtu.be/g3aayF-S2ps

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                        • Oh also about the em-2 in .280... https://youtu.be/_wdhN5_RpX4

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                          • A preview for future videos including the 308 Sterling rifle, and the 280 fal

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                            • I have the Enfield on the Best Assault Rifles that Never Were pages, and the .280 FAL in the FAL entry as an experimental "what if."
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                              • Ok so here's one of the fraken-guns... An sks-gatling gun. https://youtu.be/MH2xsQcIUYI

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