US Air Force Locations

[kalos72]

Those skilled resources are why I asked the initial question. Lots of things for them to do in a rebuilding US come 2000/2001.

As to fuel, what do you think would happen to Bryan Mound Strategic Petroleum Reserve in Texas, there is no mention of it anywhere in canon.

[RN7]

Well we know that MilGov has operating refineries - there are mentions of them in Oklahoma and Illinois as well in Howling Wilderness - also the fact that much of what oil is being refined is being used to make lubricants - which leads to an obvious conclusion that they have refineries in operation.

Howling Wilderness has the U.S. Army 194th Armoured Brigade guarding the oil refinery at Robinson, IL and a few functional oil fields surrounding it. However it also states that a recent accident severely damaged the plants last operating catalytic convertor, and the refinery is currently operating at one percent of its designed capacity. The brigade commander is also considering evacuating from Cairo, IL to Robinson and severing all ties with MilGov.

Doesn't give much information about refineries Oklahoma other than stating there are some or maybe one, and some oil wells. Reference to Colorado also supplying fuel, although that maybe from a depot of scavenged supplies.

[RN7]

Those skilled resources are why I asked the initial question. Lots of things for them to do in a rebuilding US come 2000/2001.

As to fuel, what do you think would happen to Bryan Mound Strategic Petroleum Reserve in Texas, there is no mention of it anywhere in canon.

There is no mention of a lot of things in canon. Brian Mound is located south of Houston so the oil or some of it may have been moved or even destroyed by evacuating US forces from Texas to deny to the invading Mexicans and Soviets.

[Olefin]

Fuel for Strategic Air Command units would be kept at close to maximum as possible as they have priority, no matter what is happening in other theaters.

Any other base would get fuel base on the duties they preform, and how much they had on hand at time of nuclear strikes would depend on

1. When was the fuel delivery and;
2. How much was delivered

So its a crap shoot



The Major US Aviation Depots are:

Naval Aviation Depot North Island
Naval Aviation Depot Pensacola Closed in 1993
Naval Aviation Depot Norfolk Closed 1993
Naval Aviation Depot Cherry Point
Oklahoma City Air Logistics Complex, AFB Tinker
Warner Robins Air Logistics Complex, AFB Warner Robins
Ogden Air Logistics Complex, AFB Hill
309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group, Tucson, Arizona

However I think youre going to see major cannibalization of aircraft parts. Since you have only a few aircraft flying you have a fair bit of airframes to pick from, I made a concept of salvage teams who recovery parts and weapons. I thinking since you have extra techs those that are not working on aircraft are going scavenging for parts and fuel or security duty somewhere

For fuel as stated above if unit are using an existing airbase you have fuel on hand which can be rationed, I also think you see fuel scavenging/recovery teams going around to airbases, airports ect.

I completely agree with you about cannibalization being done to keep planes flying - using parts not only from military planes but also civilian ones as needed - that's current practice in Africa right now in real life - you see countries that officially have 12 jet fighters but what they really have is ten hangar queens and 2 that work with parts from all the others

Iran did that to keep their F-14's, F-4's and F-5's flying after our embargo as well - and its common wartime practice - that's how the US kept a small force of P-40's going in Bataan almost right up to the end and in the Aleutians, where spare parts were basically impossible to find, they used other planes as spare parts all the time - it would be common practice for them to get five new planes, give three to the squadrons and keep two for parts

[pmulcahy11b]

Would Fracking be taking place in T2K

[Olefin]

This is from Wikipedia but shows clearly that fracking has been in use since the 50's in the US - so it would be happening in T2000 as well and they would have the tech for doing it well in place

Massive fracturing[edit]


Massive hydraulic fracturing (also known as high-volume hydraulic fracturing) is a technique first applied by Pan American Petroleum in Stephens County, Oklahoma, USA in 1968. The definition of massive hydraulic fracturing varies, but generally refers to treatments injecting over 150 short tons, or approximately 300,000 pounds (136 metric tonnes), of proppant.[29]

American geologists gradually became aware that there were huge volumes of gas-saturated sandstones with permeability too low (generally less than 0.1 millidarcy) to recover the gas economically.[29] Starting in 1973, massive hydraulic fracturing was used in thousands of gas wells in the San Juan Basin, Denver Basin,[30] the Piceance Basin,[31] and the Green River Basin, and in other hard rock formations of the western US. Other tight sandstone wells in the US made economically viable by massive hydraulic fracturing were in the Clinton-Medina Sandstone, and Cotton Valley Sandstone.[29]

Massive hydraulic fracturing quickly spread in the late 1970s to western Canada, Rotliegend and Carboniferous gas-bearing sandstones in Germany, Netherlands (onshore and offshore gas fields), and the United Kingdom in the North Sea.[28]

Horizontal oil or gas wells were unusual until the late 1980s. Then, operators in Texas began completing thousands of oil wells by drilling horizontally in the Austin Chalk, and giving massive slickwater hydraulic fracturing treatments to the wellbores. Horizontal wells proved much more effective than vertical wells in producing oil from tight chalk;[32] sedimentary beds are usually nearly horizontal, so horizontal wells have much larger contact areas with the target formation.[33]

Shales[edit]

Hydraulic fracturing of shales goes back at least to 1965, when some operators in the Big Sandy gas field of eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia started hydraulically fracturing the Ohio Shale and Cleveland Shale, using relatively small fracs. The frac jobs generally increased production, especially from lower-yielding wells.[34]

In 1976, the United States government started the Eastern Gas Shales Project, which included numerous public-private hydraulic fracturing demonstration projects.[35] During the same period, the Gas Research Institute, a gas industry research consortium, received approval for research and funding from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.[36]

In 1997, taking the slickwater fracturing technique used in East Texas by Union Pacific Resources (now part of Anadarko Petroleum Corporation), Mitchell Energy (now part of Devon Energy), applied the technique in the Barnett Shale of north Texas.[33] This made gas extraction widely economical in the Barnett Shale, and was later applied to other shales.[37][38][39] George P. Mitchell has been called the "father of fracking" because of his role in applying it in shales.[40] The first horizontal well in the Barnett Shale was drilled in 1991, but was not widely done in the Barnett until it was demonstrated that gas could be economically extracted from vertical wells in the Barnett.[33]

[James1978]

The Major US Aviation Depots are:

Naval Aviation Depot North Island
Naval Aviation Depot Pensacola Closed in 1993
Naval Aviation Depot Norfolk Closed 1993
Naval Aviation Depot Cherry Point
Oklahoma City Air Logistics Complex, AFB Tinker
Warner Robins Air Logistics Complex, AFB Warner Robins
Ogden Air Logistics Complex, AFB Hill
309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group, Tucson, Arizona

That list needs to include the following:
- Sacramento Air Logistics Center - McClellan AFB, CA [1995 BRAC List]
- San Antonio Air Logistics Center - Kelly AFB, TX [1995 BRAC List]
- Naval Aviation Depot Alameda - NAS Alameda, CA [1993 BRAC List]
- Naval Aviation Depot Jacksonville - NAS Jacksonville, FL

For added measure, the Corpus Christi Army Depot is the Army's rotary-wing depot and is co-located with NAS Corpus Christi, TX.

[Olefin]

I would assume if you go with the original timeline where the Cold War never stopped that all the closed bases are very much alive

Whereas if you go with the V2 timeline the base closures may have occurred but probably not as many (i.e. its still not the Soviets collapse totally as per our timeline) so it would be up to each GM what bases are still around

[Olefin]

Howling Wilderness has the U.S. Army 194th Armoured Brigade guarding the oil refinery at Robinson, IL and a few functional oil fields surrounding it. However it also states that a recent accident severely damaged the plants last operating catalytic convertor, and the refinery is currently operating at one percent of its designed capacity. The brigade commander is also considering evacuating from Cairo, IL to Robinson and severing all ties with MilGov.

Doesn't give much information about refineries Oklahoma other than stating there are some or maybe one, and some oil wells. Reference to Colorado also supplying fuel, although that maybe from a depot of scavenged supplies.

FYI that refinery at Robinson has a pretty big capacity

So even reduced to 1 percent that still a capacity of 2060 barrels of oil per day with 390 barrels per day of gas and 785 barrels of diesel - i.e. 16,380 gallons of gas and 32,970 gallons of diesel - and that accident doesn't happen till the end of the year in 2001 - meaning that one refinery is making enough gas, oil, etc. in 2001 to easily support MilGov ops in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio with some shipped to Memphis

Location: Robinson, Illinois, USA
Capacity: 10.3 million tons/annum & 206,000 bbl/day

Refining Units
Atmospheric Distillation, 206,000 bpd
Vacuum Distillation, 71,500 bpd
Delayed Coker, 29,000 bpd
Fluidised Catalytic Cracker, 55,000 bpd
Hydrocracking, 28,000
Catalytic Reforming (Low Pressure), 78,000
Naphtha Desulphurisation, 66,500 bpd
Gasoline Desulphurisation, 39,000 bpd
Diesel Desulphurisation, 78,500 bpd

[James1978]

I would assume if you go with the original timeline where the Cold War never stopped that all the closed bases are very much alive

Whereas if you go with the V2 timeline the base closures may have occurred but probably not as many (i.e. its still not the Soviets collapse totally as per our timeline) so it would be up to each GM what bases are still around

Quite true. Even then, being on a BRAC List is not the same thing as actually being closed. It typically took several years for the actual closure to occur.

Naval Aviation Depot Pensacola and Naval Aviation Depot Norfolk didn't actually close in 1993, they were just on the 1993 BRAC List.

Having said that, anything on the 1988 BRAC List probably still closed in both V1 and V2 timelines.

[Olefin]

Quite true. Even then, being on a BRAC List is not the same thing as actually being closed. It typically took several years for the actual closure to occur.

Naval Aviation Depot Pensacola and Naval Aviation Depot Norfolk didn't actually close in 1993, they were just on the 1993 BRAC List.

Having said that, anything on the 1988 BRAC List probably still closed in both V1 and V2 timelines.

Yup agree with that for sure - if they closed it with the Cold War still in full swing they would have closed it in either timeline for sure

[RN7]

FYI that refinery at Robinson has a pretty big capacity

So even reduced to 1 percent that still a capacity of 2060 barrels of oil per day with 390 barrels per day of gas and 785 barrels of diesel - i.e. 16,380 gallons of gas and 32,970 gallons of diesel - and that accident doesn't happen till the end of the year in 2001 - meaning that one refinery is making enough gas, oil, etc. in 2001 to easily support MilGov ops in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio with some shipped to Memphis

•Location: Robinson, Illinois, USA
•Capacity: 10.3 million tons/annum & 206,000 bbl/day

Refining Units
•Atmospheric Distillation, 206,000 bpd
•Vacuum Distillation, 71,500 bpd
•Delayed Coker, 29,000 bpd
•Fluidised Catalytic Cracker, 55,000 bpd
•Hydrocracking, 28,000
•Catalytic Reforming (Low Pressure), 78,000
•Naphtha Desulphurisation, 66,500 bpd
•Gasoline Desulphurisation, 39,000 bpd
•Diesel Desulphurisation, 78,500 bpd

And these figures would be plausible if the oil was drilled near the Robinson oil refinery, but the oil supply (most of it) is not locally sourced and is transported to Robinson via three pipelines.

• Capline Oil Pipeline: The pipeline originates at the St James Oil Terminal in Louisiana, passes near Memphis and terminates in the Patoka oil terminal in Illinois.

• Pegasus Crude Oil Pipeline: The pipeline transports oil almost exclusively from Western Canada.

• Woodpat Oil Pipeline: The pipeline runs from Wood River Illinois to Patoka oil terminal in Illinois and also connects with Kansas and Oklahoma.

A fourth is under construction at the moment.

• Dakota Access Crude Oil Pipeline: Pipeline will bring shale oil from North Dakota via the Patoka oil terminal.

Although the Illinois Basin has historically been the third most oil productive area in the US. Much of the conventional oil was drilled out in the early to mid-20th Century and has been in decline since the 1950's. Most recent drilling has been centred on shale oil and gas. Oil fields in Illinois are primarily in the southern half of the state. Robinson is in the southern half of Illinois, but just barely and located in the extreme eastern part near the border with Indiana and most of the state's oil fields are not very near Robinson. In 1998, the average daily oil production from an Illinois well was only 1 to 2 barrels (42 to 84 gallons). So a small quantity of oil will be locally sourced to refine different oil products but nowhere near enough to support the figures in your list.

[Olefin]

And you may have just stated one of the reasons that MilGov moved an armored brigade from Texas to retake Memphis

i.e the Capline Oil Pipeline

Capline Oil Pipeline: The pipeline originates at the St James Oil Terminal in Louisiana, passes near Memphis and terminates in the Patoka oil terminal in Illinois.

And the Woodpat as you stated connects with Kansas and Oklahoma

Woodpat Oil Pipeline: The pipeline runs from Wood River Illinois to Patoka oil terminal in Illinois and also connects with Kansas and Oklahoma.

So the real question may be is are the pipelines still functional and if so at what capacity

However even if the pipelines aren't functional Illinois makes more than enough oil to support that refinery - yes you are right about what the wells average but there a literally thousands of wells in the Illinois fields


Some figures - https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/OilandG...nIllinois.aspx

Oil & Gas Facts

Current Statistics
•There are approximately 32,100 oil and gas production wells, 10,500 Class II injection wells and 1,750 gas storage wells in Illinois.
•These wells are controlled by 1,500 operators.
•There is oil production in 40 of the 102 counties in Illinois. Most of the production is located in the southern part of Illinois.
•The oil producing area of Illinois is part of a geologic structure or province known as the Illinois Basin. The Illinois Basin covers southern Illinois, western Kentucky and western Indiana.
•Approximately 800 drilling permits for oil, gas and injection wells are issued each year.
•The majority of wells in Illinois are stripper wells with a daily production of 1.5 barrels per day

And all those wells produce a lot of oil

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/the-labor-of-energy-oil-in-central-illinois/article_be4ed152-f221-11e1-89ac-0019bb2963f4.html

"The Illinois Oil & Gas Association, which speaks for the industry, says there are some 16,000 active wells in 43 Illinois counties and at the last count these pumped 9 million barrels of crude a year. Add them to what are known as marginal wells and you've got a production source worth 915,000 barrels of oil a day or about 18 percent of total United States domestic production"

Thus even at only 1-2 barrels of oil per day, given that many wells you have more than enough oil to support that refinery at full capacity right thru to when the catalytic cracker accident happens in late 2001 - which would give MilGov the jet fuel they need for limited air operations - and as long as they have operational aerial tankers they can move fuel from IL to where it needs to go by air or by ground or river in very heavily guarded convoys

So actually the oil fields of Illinois can easily support full production at Robinson even if every pipeline is out of commission

[Olefin]

One thing I always keep in mind when I look at the canon is how much info we have now that the original writers either didn't have or didn't have easy access to. If you want to see how much oil is produced in IL it takes a few minutes now - back in the mid 80's and early 90's when they wrote the modules it meant digging in multiple libraries, writing letters, all kinds of things

so the canon writers very likely didn't know that the IL oil fields alone produce so much oil even with only 1-2 barrels a day - not with 13000 plus producing wells - whereas we can find it with a few clicks of a computer screen

thus could MilGov get fuel for a limited number of planes just from what the iL fields are producing thru the Robinson refinery - the answer is yes - but back then when the game was written good luck finding that kind of data when you were in a time crunch to get out new material

you aren't going to leisurely check out 10 different libraries and universities and send away for info when your editor is saying "where the heck is Howling Wilderness what do you mean you have to delay three weeks while you research how much oil comes from IL - just get it on my desk by Monday!"

[kalos72]

Great posts Olefin! Thats why our campaign is in Texas. Sure there is alot of damage but if every well just trickles out a little oil every day, its going to add up.

Great stuff here!