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    I usually goes by cannon for that but, in my opinion, a number of countries survived despite the war. Nevertheless, the situation is generaly chaotic with pirates in western Mediterranea, off the coast of Morocco, in the Gulf of Aden, around Cape Town and around Zanzibar.

    Libya was subjected to nukes and conventional bombing and Tripoli was reduced to rubble. However, a large number of nomads (including Khadaffi) and isolated communties survived. A new capital was established at Sirte, a small refinery and several oil wells survived.
    LIBYA
    Libyan Army
    - ADA Battalion
    Manpower: 690
    Assets: 1 SA-8b, 2 Crotale, 9 57AD, 10 40AD
    - Artillery Battalion
    Manpower: 470
    Assets: 4 SO-122s, 6 BM-21s, 16 FH122s
    - 1st Armored Battalion
    Manpower: 500
    Assets: 3 ZSU-23-4s, 11 T-72s, 18 T-55s
    - 2nd Armored Battalion
    Manpower: 500
    Assets: 3 ZSU-23-4s, 11 T-72s, 18 T-55s
    - 1st through 5th Infantry Battalion
    Manpower: 700
    Assets: 2 Danas, 2 RM-70s, 2 SA-13s, 2 EE-9s, 2 EE-11s, 3 OT-64s, 9 BMP-1

    Libyan Air Force
    - 1st Border Patrol
    Manpower: 130
    Assets: 4 Mi-24
    - 1040th Squadron
    Manpower: 90
    Assets: 2 Mirage F-1, 4 Mig-21
    - 1060th Squadron
    Manpower: 120
    Assets: 5 Mig-23

    Libyan Navy
    - Al Isar (Natya-class)
    - Sharaba (Type 148-class)
    - Ibn El Hadrami (Polocny-class)
    - 2 Osa-class PC

    Nothing was really there as a target and the country sided with the Franco-Belgian union as early as possible. The regime is facing insurgency from desert people but it remains stable. A Franco-Belgian air unit is stationed at the capital city.
    BURKINA-FASO
    Burkina Faso Forces (3200 troops+14000 militia)
    - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th Infantry Regiments
    Manpower: 450
    Assets: 4 120mm mortars, 3 EE-9 Cascavel
    - Airborne Regiment
    Manpower: 500
    - 3rd, 6th Tank Battalion
    Manpower: 200
    Assets: 7 AML-90, 10 M3 APC
    - Artillery Battalion
    Manpower: 350
    Assets: 8 Light Gun, 7 M167 PIVAD
    - 1st through 7th Mobile Gendarmerie Company
    Manpower: 150
    Assets: 2 Ferret
    - 100 militia company
    Manpower : 140

    The north is in open rebellion, but the south remain under state control with its oil production area. Franco-belgian troops have been moved here from the now devastated Ivory Coast.
    CAMEROON
    President and Commander-in-Chief: Paul Biya
    Prime Minister: Peter Mafany Musonge
    Minister of State, Delegate at the Presidency in charge of Defence: Amadou Ali
    Minister of State in charge of External Relations: Augustin Kontchou Kouemeg
    Secretary of State for Defence in charge of Gendarmerie: Remy Ze Meka

    Field Army (HQ Yaounde/4950 troops)
    - Presidential Guard
    Manpower : 2300
    Assets : 5 VBL, 29 V-150 Commando
    - Airborne/commando battalion
    Manpower : 350
    - Artillery battalion
    Manpower : 600
    Assets : 6 M46 de 130, 10 105 FH, 10 BM-21.
    - Engineer battalion
    Manpower : 300
    - Anti-aircraft battalion
    Manpower : 550
    Assets : 8 Type 63 AD, 11 GDF-35
    - 1st to 4th Infantry battalions
    Manpower : 650
    Assets : 2 M8 Greyhound, 3 M3 Halftrack
    - 1st to 8th Gendarmerie Company
    Manpower : 200

    Air Force (320 troops)
    - COIN Squadron
    Manpower: 130
    Aircrafts: 5 MB-326, 4 Alpha Jet, 2 SA-342L
    - Transport Squadron
    Manpower: 190
    Aircrafts: 2 Alouette III, 2 Super Puma, 2 Do-128, 2 C-130, 3 DHC-5

    Navy
    - Patrol Boat Squadron
    Manpower: 90
    Assets: 1 PR-48 Patrol Boat

    A fairly stable country, it is the main oil provider to the Franco-Belgian union.
    GABON
    Gendarmerie
    - 1st, 2nd and 3rd Brigade
    Manpower: 500
    Gabonese Army
    - Presidential Guard
    Manpower: 1800
    Assets: 6 EE-3, 6 ERC-90, 10 EE-9, 15 EE-11, 3 105FH, 6 ZU-23.
    - 1st through 8th Infantry Company
    Manpower: 250
    Assets: 2 VBL M-11, 3 AML-90, 3 V-150 Commando
    - Airborne Commando Company
    Manpower: 200
    - Engineer Company
    Manpower: 150
    - Helicopter Squadron
    Manpower: 150
    Assets: 3 SA-342L, 2 AS-332B
    Gabonese Air Force
    - Combat Squadron
    Manpower: 80
    Assets: 5 Mirage F-1, 2 Alpha Jet
    - Support Squadron
    Manpower: 70
    Assets: 2 Alouette III, 2 T-34C, 1 C-130H

    While most African countries sided with the Franco-Belgian Union, Kenya allied itself with US. There are several US troops on its soil and a refinery is still in working order at Mombasa. Nevertheless, the eastern region are in turmoil.
    KENYA
    Major General Aboud Adalla Rafouf commanded the Army
    Colonel SJ Mutungi was the Fleet Commander
    Police
    - General Service Unit
    Manpower: 3100
    Kenyan Army (4865 troops)
    - 1st Armored Brigade
    Manpower: 650
    Assets: 46 Vickers Mk.1, 39 UR-416
    - 1st Infantry Brigade
    Manpower: 1600
    Assets: 6 Ferret, 4 Shorland
    - 2nd Infantry Brigade
    Manpower: 1800
    Assets: 6 Ferret, 4 Shorland
    - Engineer Battalion
    Manpower: 160
    - Airborne Battalion
    Manpower: 400
    - Air Defense Battalion
    Manpower: 85
    Assets: 10 GDF-35
    - Armored Cavalry Battalion
    Manpower: 170
    Assets: 22 AML-90
    Kenyan Navy (1010 troops)
    - Marine Company
    Manpower: 120
    - Surface Combatants
    Manpower: 890
    Assets: 1 Capana LST, 1 Province PG, 1 Fremantle PG, 2 Tempest PC, 2 PCF, 11 PBR
    Air Force (290 troops)
    - Fighter-Bomber Squadron
    Manpower: 60
    Aircrafts: 7 F-5E, 4 Hawk
    - Light Attack Squadron
    Manpower: 60
    Aircrafts: 6 Tucano, 5 Bulldog
    - Transport/Helicopter Squadron
    Manpower: 170
    Aircrafts: 3 DHC-5, 3 Do-128, 11 500MD

    Another member of the Franco-Belgian Union, that country is allowing supply to go from Senegal to Burkina Faso.
    MALI
    Malian Forces (3200 troops)
    - 3rd Independant Tank Battalion
    Manpower: 220
    Assets: 21 Type-63, 2 BRDM-2
    - 5th Independent Tank Battalion
    Manpower: 230
    Assets: 18 T-55, 2 BM-21, 2 BRDM-2
    - 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th Infantry Battalions
    Manpower: 400
    Assets: 2 BRDM-2, 10 BTR-152
    - 4th Airborne Infantry Battalion
    Manpower: 350
    Assets: 2 Panhard VBL
    - Special Forces Battalion
    Manpower: 300
    Assets: 5 Panhard VBL, 3 100mm AT
    - 2nd Artillery Battalion
    Manpower: 150
    Assets: 4 D-30 Howitzer, 3 100mm AT.
    - 1st and 2nd ADA Battery
    Manpower: 100
    Assets: 6 S-60 de 57
    - River Patrol Group
    Manpower: 150
    Assets: 4 PBR

    Except for the Casamance region this is the most stable of the African countries that joined with the Franco-Belgian union. The country also contain the most efficient harbour (in working order) on the entire continent.
    SENEGAL
    Forces Armes
    - Presidential Guard
    Manpower: 150 cavalry
    - Engineer Battalion
    Manpower: 350
    - Airborne Battalion
    Manpower: 250
    - Commando Battalion
    Manpower: 350
    - 1st through 6th Infantry Battalion
    Manpower: 400
    - Armored Battalion
    Manpower: 500
    Assets: 19 AML-90, 20 M3 APC
    - Artillery Battalion
    Manpower: 400
    Assets: 4 Bofors L/70, 4 155FH, 7 105FH
    Gendarmerie
    - 1st through 18th Company
    Manpower: 150

    A tiny country on the Gulf of Aden, it is the main Franco-Belgian base in western Africa. It is a small island of stability in an ocean of chaos.
    DJIBOUTI
    Forces Armes
    - Tank Battalion:
    Manpower: 750
    Assets: 4 BRDM-2, 7 AML-90, 8 BTR-70
    - Support Battalion
    Manpower: 400
    - Infantry Battalion
    Manpower: 800
    - Border Commando Battalion (Camel)
    Manpower: 300
    - Airborne Company
    Manpower: 150
    - Artillery Battery
    Manpower: 80
    Assets: 4 122FH, 4 Bofors L-40
    - Gendarmery
    Manpower: 600

  • #2
    Where did you get information on these

    And do you have more countries in Africa

    Keep 'em coming...this is good stuff!
    Contribute to the Twilight: 2000 fanzine - "Good Luck, You're On Your Own". Send submissions to: Twilightgrimace@gmail.com

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Grimace
      Where did you get information on these

      And do you have more countries in Africa

      Keep 'em coming...this is good stuff!
      I will.

      I got these from three sources:

      - Merc Gazeteer as a first base
      - Additional elements from the net
      - A lot from a book edited by Salamander : The World's Armies.

      Actually this book give starting elements on every world armies (1988-1990) from the largest to the smallest ones. It's not entirely good but provide a good base. It has the type of units and major equipments for every country but, however, it lacks the unit numbers. At time, I'll try to get something out of this for every African countries (after all someone might want to use other countries than the one I chose for myself) and many minor armies but it will take time.

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      • #4
        Some elements on Angola

        ANGOLA
        In addition to regular troops, they were about 50000 Cubans deployed in Angola. Using v1.0 these troops would still be there but in the process of being withdrawn. Using v2.0 they would have been withdrawn but a few might still be left behind. Using T2013, they would be long gone and the given figures for Angola would be largely reduced. Angola is producing oil but this is exploited by US and located in Cabinda. Cabinda would certainly have been nuked by the Russians but with little effect (except for oil supply) on the mainland.

        Forca Aerea Popular de Angola
        19 = Service Ended Aircraft:
        I havent found anything on the orbat but I found elements on the number of aircrafts. Nevertheless, I would consider most if not all of them to be grounded because of lack of fuel and general attrition.

        Aircraft Type Total Del'd TotalNow Role Service Entry Origin
        MiG-17 Fresco 25 1999 Interceptors 1976 SU
        MiG-21 Fishbed 92 24 Fighter/Attack 1976-80 SU
        MiG-23 Flogger 55 18 Fighter 1984 SU
        Su-22 Fitter 14 11 Fighter Ground Attack 1993 Slovakia
        Su-24 Fencer 12 12 Fighter Ground Attack 2000 Russia
        Su-25 Frogfoot 12 12 Fighter/Attack 1998 SU
        Su-27 Flanker 15 14 Fighter 1999 Russia
        EMB-110 2 2 Maritime patrol 1987 Brazil
        EMB-120 Brasilia 2 2 Maritime patrol 1999 Brazil
        An-2 Colt 11 10 Transport 1980 SU
        An-12 Cub 12 6 Transport 1985 SU
        An-26 Curl 30 12 Transport 1977 SU
        An-28 Cash 4 2 Transport 1988 Russia
        An-32 Cline 4 3 Transport 1977 SU
        BN-2A Islander 19 6 Transport 1977 GB
        Dornier Do 27 10 5 Transport 1976 Germany
        C-212 Aviocar 17 17 Transport 1985 Spain
        C-47 Dakota 3 1994 Transport 1975 USA
        C-130 Hercules 3+6 3+6 Transport 1986-97 USA
        Nord Noratlas 6 1994 Transport 1975 France
        Yak-18, Max 4 1994 Transport 1986 SU
        Mi-4, Hound 10 1994 Transport 1981 SU
        Mi-6, Hook 8 1994 Transport 1985 SU
        Mi-8, Hip 69 34 Transport 1979-83 SU
        AB-212 12 12 Transport 2002 Italy
        SA-365 Dauphin 18 8 Transport 1986 France
        Alouette III 62 29 Transport/Liaison 1976-84 France
        AS-565 Panther 16 13 Transport / Attack 1993 France
        SA-342 Gazelle 13 7 Attack 1986 France
        Mi-24 Hind 77 26 Attack 1982-87 SU
        EMB-312 Tucano 6 6 Training 1999 Brazil
        MiG-15UTI 32 8 Training 1976 SU
        Yak-11 Moose 6 1998 Training 1976 SU
        PC-6B 8 Training 1976 Swiss
        PC-7 20 19 Training 1983 Swiss
        PC-9 4 4 Training 1986 Swiss
        Cessna 172 5 3 Training 1983 USA

        Angolan Navy
        Not much is found but in the early 1990s they had seven light patrol boats armed with 20mm guns and MGs:
        - Preservador
        - Patrulheiro
        - Temerario
        - Mandume
        - Atlantico
        - Golfinho
        - Polar

        Foras Armadas Angolanas
        Before T2K these forces were facing the UNITA of Sawimbi (support from US and South Africa until the end of the Cold War) and in T2K this can lead to anything. After a cease fire in 1991 combat stared again in 1992 until Sawimbi's death in 2002. Since 2002 UNITA became a political party that never represented more than 15% of the votes. The Orbat given is that existing after the general reorganization of 1988-89. Of course, the figures given are that preceding T2K and it just seemed to be a working Orbat based on fairly solid elements. In T2K, I would expect the Angolan army to have dissolved but some elements might still be around in fighting order.

        Infantry Equipments: PK Machinegun, RPK-74, AK-74, G-3, SVD sniper rifle, Tokarev, Makarov, 82 and 120mm mortars, B-10 82mm RCL, RPG, SA-7 and SA-14.
        ADA: SA-8, SA-9, SA-13, S-60 57mm, ZU-23 and ZPU-4.
        Vehicles: 50 T-72, 50 T-62, 200 T-55, 100 BMP-2, 150 BMP-1, 70 BTR-60, 100 BTR-152, 600 BRDM-2 ( ), 40 RM-70, 50 BM-21, SO-122 ( ), 500 FH122, 20 ZSU-23-4, ZSU-57-2 ().

        12 Task Forces (HQ, 3 to 5 Tactical Group)
        - Task Force HQ
        Manpower: 300
        - Tactical Group (Mechanized, optional armour and artillery: field or AD)
        Manpower: 300
        Usually I consider the Gazeteer to be relatively valid as far as game purpose but that is not the case with Angola. The figures given as Brigade Group in the Gazeteer resemble too much the general organization of the Task Forces. These are highly mobile COIN units (no light infantry) engaged only against the UNITA. It is doubtful that they would be engaged in regular fightings and if you use the Gazeteer it would be better to replace them by regular Brigades.

        4 Armored Brigade
        1 tank battalion, 2 Mech Battalions and 1 artillery battery.
        Manpower: 1100-1300
        Assets: T-72, T-62 or T-55; BMP-2 or BMP-1; SO-122, RM-70 or BM-21, ZSU-23-4
        25 Motorized Brigade
        2-3 Mot Battalions, 1 Mech Battalion (option), 1 tank company (option) and 1 artillery battery.
        Manpower: 1100-1300
        Assets: FH122, BTR-60, BTR-152
        46 Light Infantry Brigade
        3+ Infantry Battalions.
        Manpower: 1100-1300
        Last edited by Mohoender; 01-13-2009, 12:56 AM.

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        • #5
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          BENIN
          Today, the Gendarmerie seems to have been brought up to 2500 while the Peoples Militia seems not to exist anymore. Nowadays, the army might count an additional 1000 soldiers but that remains uncertain. However, 10 VBL and 16 M113 have been added to its equipment list. The army is also using: ZPU-4, RPG, LRAC and SA-7.

          What is there on the air force is incomplete. Today, the air force counts 4 A-109 Agusta and a number of single type aircrafts (1 BAe HS.748, 1 DHC-6, 1 Commander-500B and 1 Alouette III) in addition to what I listed. I consider that the sole patrol ship has been lost.
          - Armoured Squadron
          Manpower: 200
          Assets: 2 BRDM-2, 20 PT-76
          - Artillery Battery:
          Manpower: 300
          Assets: 16 FH105s
          - Commando Battalion
          Manpower: 500
          - Engineer Battalion
          Manpower: 700
          - 1st, 2nd and 3rd Infantry Battalion
          Manpower: 700
          Assets: 4 BRDM-2
          - 1st through 4th Mobile Gendarmery Company
          Manpower: 250
          - Peoples Militia
          Manpower: 3500
          - Benin Air Force
          Manpower: 150
          Assets: 2 Ecureuil, 2 Do-128, 2 C-47, 2 An-26

          BOTSWANA
          I know from previous thread that some of us know the movie oeGods must be crazy and the action was taking place in Botswana. At that time the countrys army was about 600 with a small police force and that explains why Sam Boga could move around so easiliy. At the time of T2K that situation as changed slightly (essentially because of Sam Boga of all sorts). To remain simple I assumed that all brigades are identical. That might not be exactly the case but there are some good chance that this might be almost true. Unit assets are strictly coming out of my imagination (except for the numbers).
          Equipements: SA-7, SA-16, Javelin, Carl Gustaf, TOW (6) and Mortars

          T2K Orbat
          - Mobile Police Unit
          Manpower: 1000
          - 1st Infantry Brigade (Gaborone)
          Manpower: 3000
          Assets: 25 V-150, 15 BTR-60, 3 Vulcan
          - 2nd Infantry Brigade (Francistown)
          Manpower: 3000
          Assets: 25 V-150, 15 BTR-60, 3 Vulcan
          - 1 Recce Company (trained commando)
          Manpower: 120
          Gaberone Air Base
          - Z10 Squadron: 4 C-212
          - Z21 Squadron: 12 Bell 412
          - Z23 Squadron: 11 Strikemaster

          T2013 Orbat (I couldnt find out if the Recce Company had remained independent but I chose to keep it)
          - Mobile Police Unit
          Manpower: 1000
          - 1st Infantry Brigade (Gaborone)
          Manpower: 3000
          Assets: 15 V-150, 15 BTR-60, 9 VBL, 6 FH105s, 2 Vulcan
          - 2nd Infantry Brigade (Francistown)
          Manpower: 3000
          Assets: 15 V-150, 15 BTR-60, 9 VBL, 6 FH105s , 2 Vulcan
          - 3rd Infantry Brigade (Ghanzi)
          Manpower: 3000
          Assets: 15 V-150, 10 BTR-60, 9 VBL, 6 FH105s, 2 Vulcan
          - Armoured Brigade (Gaborone)
          Manpower: 2800
          Assets: 6 Spartan, 36 Scorpion, 50 SK-105, 50 Piranha III, 12 FH155s
          - 1 Recce Company (trained commando)
          Manpower: 200
          Assets: 8 RAM
          Molepole Air Base
          - Z1 Squadron: 5 BN-2A
          - Z7 Squadron: 7 PC-7
          - Z10 Squadron: 2 C-212, 2 CN-235, 3 C-130
          - Z21 Squadron: 3 Ecureuil, 5 Bell-412.
          - Z23 Squadron: 5 Ecureuil
          - Z28 Squadron: 13 to 18 CF-5 Freedom Fighter.
          Gaborone Air Base
          - VIP Squadron: 1 Bell-412, 1 Super King Air, 1 Gulfstream IV
          Francistown Air Base
          - Z3 Squadron: 9 O-2A Skymaster
          - Z12 Squadron: 5 BN-2A

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          • #6
            One More and enough for today (v1.0/v2.0)

            PEOPLE's REPUBLIC of CONGO
            I haven't found much on that country but I still could design some kind of working orbat for both the air force and the army (valid for v1.0 and v2.0). I also found that the country was an important ally to the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War. Up to the early 1990's 500 Cuban troops were stationed in the country.

            Air force: total personnel was supposed to be 1200 (add an unknown number of Alouette II: up to 28)
            - Fighter Wing
            Assets: 12 Mig-21
            - Attack Wing
            Assets: 4 L-39C, 2 Alouette III
            - Transport Wing
            Assets: up to 5 An-24, 1 An-26, 1 C-47, 2 Mi-8
            - Support Wing

            Army (it represents 10000 troops with 2000 in the Gendarmerie)
            - Gendarmerie
            Manpower: 2000
            - 2 Infantry Battalion Groups
            Manpower: 1100
            Assets: 2 BRDM-2, 4 Type 62 tank, 6 FH76s
            - Artillery Group
            Manpower: 1200
            Assets: 5 AT100, 8 BM-21, 18 FH122, 28 Mortars 120.
            - 2 Armoured Battalion
            Manpower: 800
            Assets: 20 T-55, 10 BRDM-2, 35 BTR-60 or BTR-152
            - 1 Infantry Battalion
            Manpower: 800
            - 1 Engineer Battalion
            Manpower: 800
            - 1 Airborne Battalion
            Manpower: 800

            Navy (800 men)
            - 3 Patrol craft of Spanish origin (Pira+-a-class)
            - 3 Patrol Boat of Russian origin (Zhuk-class)

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            • #7
              An Unexpected country

              GHANA
              I didnt count that country but know Im asking myself why. In fact, there is a good chance that Ghana would have survived the war. In addition, that country might well be an ally to HMG (United Kingdom) and that would explain part of the British recovery. The Orbat would work almost for all periods with only some minor differences. With the Twilight war more personnel could have joined the army.


              Peoples Militia
              Manpower: 5000

              Army
              Commander in Chief: Air Marshall AHK Dumashie (v1.0 and v2.0) Lt Gen JB Danquah (T2013)
              Chief of Staff: Major General Ben K Akafia (v1.0 and v2.0) Major General Samuel Anum Odotei (T2013)

              Northern Command Brigade (Kumasi)
              - Recce Regiment (Sunyani)
              Manpower: 260
              Assets: 2 EE-9, 25 Piranha APC
              - Airborne Battalion (Tamale)
              Manpower: 400
              - 3rd Light Infantry Battalion (Sunyani)
              Manpower: 400
              - 4th Light Infantry Battalion (Kumasi)
              Manpower: 400
              - 6th Light Infantry Battalion (Tamale)
              Manpower: 400
              - 2nd Signal Squadron (Kumasi)
              Manpower: 50
              - 2nd Transport Company (Kumasi)
              Manpower: 150
              - 2nd Field Ambulance (Kumasi)
              Manpower: 50
              - 2nd Field Workshop (Kumasi)
              Manpower: 200
              Southern Command Brigade (Accra)
              - Armored Recce Regiment (Accra)
              Manpower: 260
              Assets: 2 EE-9, 25 Piranha APC
              - 64th Presidents Own Guard Regiment (Accra)
              Manpower: 400
              - 1st Light Infantry Battalion (Tema)
              Manpower: 400
              - 2nd Light Infantry Battalion (Takoradi)
              Manpower: 400
              - 5th Light Infantry Battalion (Accra):
              Manpower: 400
              - 66th Artillery Regiment (Ho)
              Manpower: 280
              Assets: 6 FH122, 4 BM-21
              - 48th Engineer Regiment (Teshie)
              Manpower: 350
              Assets:
              - 1st Field Workshop (Accra)
              Manpower: 200
              Assets:

              Air Force
              Air Vice-Marshall JA Bruce (v1.0 and v2.0) Air Vice-Marshall JO Baoteng (T2013)
              I havent found any orbat for the air force but I chose to devide it among four wings. It is about 1000 personnel
              T2K v1.0 and v2.0
              - Counterinsurgency Wing
              Assets: 4 MB-339, 9 MB-326
              - Training Wing
              Assets: 12 L-29, 10 Bulldog
              - Transport Wing
              Assets: 3 F-27, 4 BN-2T, 6 Skyvan
              - Helicopter Wing
              Assets: 4 Alouette III, 2 Mi-2, 2 A-109, 2 AB-412, 4 Mi-8

              T2013
              - Counterinsurgency Wing
              Assets: 2 L-39, 2 MB-339, 4 or 6 JL-8, 6 MB-326
              - Training Wing
              Assets: 8 L-29, 10 Bulldog
              - Transport Wing
              Assets: 1 F-28, 3 F-27, 4 BN-2T
              - Helicopter Wing
              Assets: 2 Alouette III, 2 Mi-2, 2 A-109, 4 Mi-8

              Navy
              Rear-admiral TK Annan (v1.0 and v2.0) Rear-admiral Arthur Riby Nuno (T2013)
              Manpower: 1000
              Assets: 4 Patrol Boats

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              • #8
                Further Elements on Cameroon

                Cameroon - Security Information
                Conflict History [1]
                The independence years were marked by a revolt of the Bamileke, which was finally suppressed in the early 1970s with the help of French troops. In 1982 Paul Biya took over the presidency from Ahmadou Ahidjo, who resigned due to ill-health, and was re-elected as president in 1984. An unsuccessful attempt by an army faction to overthrow the government in 1984 temporarily destabilised the Biya regime. In the following months, however, he moved quickly to reassert control. He was re-elected as president in 1988, 1992 and again in 1997. During the 1990s pressure for the introduction of a multi-party system increased, and was accompanied by intense unrest and instability. The 1997 legislative and presidential elections were accompanied by widespread violence. In 1998 several people were killed in ethnic clashes in north-western Cameroon.
                Security Situation [2]
                Relations with neighbouring countries are generally harmonious. The exceptions are a simmering border dispute with Nigeria (the Bakassi Dispute), and with Equatorial Guinea over territorial waters. Both Cameroon and Nigeria are reinforcing their military presence in the Bakassi peninsula. Influxes of Cameroonians into Equatorial Guinea, in the hope of benefiting form its new-found oil wealth, has strained relations. In 1999 the governments of Cameroon, Equitorial Guinea, Nigeria, Sao Tome & Principe, Gabon, Congo Brazzaville, the DRC and Angola established a Gulf of Guinea Commission to help prevent and settle conflicts, especially border disputes, in the Gulf.
                Security-Related Budget [3]
                The defence budget for 2001 was US$160 million (up from US$155 in 2000). Defence expenditure in 1999 was US$156 million, equal to 1.5 % of GDP.
                Political Oversight [4]
                President and Commander-in-Chief: Paul Biya
                Prime Minister: Peter Mafany Musonge
                Minister of State, Delegate at the Presidency in charge of Defence: Amadou Ali
                Minister of State in charge of External Relations: Augustin Kontchou Kouemeg
                Secretary of State for Defence in charge of Gendarmerie: Remy Ze Meka
                Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces: Paul Biya
                International Treaties/ Protocols/ Alliances [5]
                Cameroon is a member of the UN, WTO, the Commonwealth, OAU, ADB, OIC, the Lake Chad Basin Commission and an ACP member of the ACP-EU relationship.
                International Community Involvement [6]
                Apart from rotating French Legionnaires there appear to be no permanent foreign forces on Cameroon territory.
                FORCES DEPLOYED OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY

                Cameroon Armed Forces

                Senior Personnel

                Structure [7]
                The army is very much under the personal control of president Paul Biya who takes a day-to-day interest in all matters military. The army (strength 11500) has a military presence in Cameroons eight military regions that correspond to the national administrative areas.
                Bases
                Army bases are thought to be located in or near major towns and cities as per administrative districts. Air force bases are located at Batouri, Douala, Garouda and Yaounde. Naval bases are located at Douala (HQ), Kribi and Limbe.
                Defence Budget
                The defence budget for 2001 was US$160 million (up from US$155 in 2000).
                Doctrine [8]
                Very little accurate information is available. French methods and procedures appear logical.
                Strength [9]
                Total strength: 22100 (including gendarmerie). Army: 11500; Navy: estimated 1300; Air Force: 300; Gendarmerie: 9000.
                Composition [10]
                The order of battle is as follows:

                Field Army (HQ Yaounde)
                1 Presidential Guard battalion
                1 guard batallion
                1 armoured reconnaissance battalion
                1 airborne/commando battalion
                1 artillery battalion
                5 infantry battalions
                1 anti-aircraft battalion
                1 engineer battalion
                1 armed forces training battalion
                Yaounde logistic support base
                In addition to the three service wings, there is a gendarmerie of 9000 who appear to be in the army chain of command (and certainly directly responsible to the president). The gendarmerie have large detachments in all the regional administrative areas and are equipped with light weapons and light armoured vehicles.
                Training [11]
                It is assumed that local training is undertaken with the French, with higher subjects being studied at various military schools in France.
                Defence Equipment: 2001 [12]

                Type Detail Number
                Army
                M-8 Recce 8
                V-150 8
                VBL 5
                V-150 Commando AIFV 14
                V-150 Commando APC 21
                M-3 Halftrack 12
                M-116 pack Towed Artillery 6
                M-101 16
                Type-59 12
                1l 4
                BM-21 MRL 122 mm 20
                Brandt Mortar 120 mm 16
                Milan ATGW
                LRAC RL 89 mm
                PRC Type-52 RCL 57 mm 13
                M-40A2 RCL 106 mm 40
                PRC Type-58 AD Gun 18
                GDF-002 18
                PRC Type-63 18

                Navy
                Bakassi (Fr P-48) PCC 1
                LAudacieux (Fr P-48) 1
                Quartier PCI 1

                Air Force
                CM-170 FGA 5
                MB-326 6
                Do-128D-6 MR 2
                SA-342L (with HOT)Attack Heli 4
                C-130H/-H-30 (3), DHC-4 (1), DHC-5D (4), IAI-201 (1), PA-23 (2), Gulfstream III (1), Do-128 (1), Boeing 707 (1) Transport (Aircraft)
                Bell 206 (3), SE-3131 (3), SA-318 (1), SA-319 (3), AS-332 (2), SA-365 (1) Transport (Helicopter)

                Latest Procurement [13]
                There is broad agreement among military observers that Cameroons regional environment and its disagreements with Nigeria will generate a spate of military procurement and that money will be found to support such purchases. However, the modernisation and enlargement of the Cameroon armed forces will be an ambitious and expensive project. In the meantime, it received four 155 mm pieces of artillery from Israel in 1997 and another four the following year.
                Rebel Forces [14]
                There are a wide number of potential insurgent threats to Cameroon.
                English Speaking Secessionists
                Many English speaking Cameroonians feel they have been marginalised by the French speaking majority and wish to exert more control over their own affairs in the west of the country. The call for independence has long been ignored by the mainly French speaking authorities. Armed attacks on the gendarmerie and other targets left 11 dead in 1997, at such places as Jakiri, Kumbo, Bumenda, and other localities in western Cameroon. People suspected of belonging to the Southern Cameroon National Council were arrested in connection with the attacks. Their trial commenced in 1999.
                The Bagyeli Pygmies
                The Bagyeli pygmies are thought likely to oppose government and World Bank plans to build a 1100 km long pipeline between the Doba oilfields of Chad and the Atlantic coast of Cameroon.

                Sources
                1. Africa South of the Sahara 2001; EIU Country Profile 2001
                2. Africa South of the Sahara 2001; Janes Sentinel Central Africa, Jan-June 2001
                3. Human Development Report 2001, UNDP; The Military Balance 2001-2992
                4. Africa South of the Sahara 2001
                5. The Statesmans Yearbook 2002
                6. Janes Sentinel Central Africa, January-June 2001
                7. Janes Sentinel Central Africa, January-June 2001
                8. Janes Sentinel Central Africa, January-June 2001
                9. The Military Balance 2001-2002, IISS
                10. Janes World Armies, Issue Seven, June 2000
                11. Janes Sentinel Central Africa, January-June 2001
                12. The Military Balance 2001-2002
                13. Janes World Armies, Issue Seven; The Military Balance 2001-2002.
                14. Janes Sentinel Central Africa, Jan-June 2001
                Cameroon - Natural Resources and the Environment
                Largely because of highly varied ecology and environment, Cameroon has one of the best-endowed primary commodity economies in sub-Saharan Africa - agricultural conditions are favourable, it has abundant forest reserves and substantial mineral and oil reserves
                Mineral resources
                Petroleum, bauxite, iron ore
                Water resources
                Hydropower. Annual internal renewable water resources: 18,711 cu m Per Capita (1998); Sector withdrawals - domestic 46%; Industrial 19%; Agricultural 35%
                Land - Refer to table/s
                Key Environmental Concerns
                Water-borne diseases are prevalent; deforestation; overgrazing; desertification; poaching; over-fishing. Cameroon's tropical forest is the second largest in the world but it is being exploited at a faster rate than is sustainable. Concessions to exploit the forests are awarded through a bidding system, with companies winning by offering high inducements to the officials. There is little monitoring of forest management. As the forests have become more accessible, poachers are shooting antelope, chimpanzees and gorillas, and selling them.
                Environmental policy and manifestation
                International agreements - Biodiversity, Climate Change, Desertification, Endangered Species, Law of the Sea, Ozone Layer Protection, Tropical Timber 83, Tropical Timber 94
                Natural hazards
                Recent volcanic activity with release of poisonous gases
                Cameroon - Population
                Ethnically and linguistically diverse with more than 200 languages, three broad groupings dominate: Fulani, Kirdi and other groups dominate the Muslim north; the Bamilk dominate in the western regions, while in coastal areas the Grand Sawa dominate.

                An important religious and social divide lies across the country. While the people of the south and west have been profoundly influenced by Christianity, the people of the north are either Muslim or animist and have largely retained their traditional modes of life. One other major contrast in the social geography of Cameroon is between anglophone north-west and south-west Cameroon, and the much larger, more populous francophone area of former East Cameroon. The contrasting influences of British and French rule remain evident in many spheres of life.

                The UN population fund estimated the population at some 15.2m at mid-2001, and the growth rate for the period 1995-2000 at 2.7%. Poverty levels are high - according to a 1996 survey over 50% of the population fell below the poverty line, and almost a quarter lived in extreme poverty. Almost all of these live in the rural areas. The two main centres, Douala the port and commercial centre, and Yaound the capital, each have over a 1m inhabitants.

                There has been a significant deterioration in the education and health systems since 1990, a result of the economic crisis of the early 1990s. In an effort to redress the declining standards, the government increased spending on health and education in the 2000/01 fiscal year by 19% and 48% respectively.
                Refugees and IDPs
                Cameroon is host to close to 44,000 refugees, mainly Chadian refugees. Of the 8,000 urban refugees, some 65% live in the cities of Douala and Yaounde.
                Health
                Poorly maintained infrastructure and services - a consequence of budget cuts since the early 1990s - have led to sharp increases in infant and child mortality rates and a decline in life expectancy.
                HIV/AIDS
                UN estimates of infection rates are put at 7%, while unofficial sources estimate the HIV prevalence to be closer to 11%. This rate is one of the highest in Central Africa. In an effort to fight HIV/AIDS the government has negotiated a reduced cost for imported anti-retroviral medicines, and has an extensive public campaign of education and training.
                Education
                Education was hit hard by the financial constraints faced by the government in the early 1990s. Primary school enrolments, which were nearly 100% in the early 1980s, had dropped to some 62% in 1997. Nevertheless, adult literacy levels at some 75% are high, a reflection of the marked progress made during the 1970s and 1980s

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                • #9
                  More countries

                  GUINEA

                  Gendarmerie
                  Manpower: 1000
                  National Guard
                  Manpower: 1600
                  Army
                  - 1 Armoured Battalion
                  Manpower: 800
                  Assets: 8 T-54, 20 T-34, 25 PT-76, 4 BRDM-2, 20 BTR-50, 12 BTR-152, 8 BTR-60
                  - 1 Artillery Battalion
                  Manpower: 700
                  Assets: FH122, FH76, AT85
                  - 1 Engineer Battalion
                  Manpower: 500
                  - 1 Air Defense Battalion
                  Manpower: 700
                  Assets: KS-19 100mm, S-60 57mm, M1939 37mm, M53 30mm
                  - 2 Commando Battalions
                  Manpower: 600
                  - 5 Infantry Battalions
                  Manpower: 900
                  Assets: 3 BRDM-2, 4 Mortar 120

                  Air Force
                  - Fighter Squadron (v1.0 and v2.0)
                  Manpower: 100
                  Assets: 4 Mig-21, 4 Mig-17
                  - Transport Squadron
                  Manpower: 250
                  Assets: 1 An-12, An-24, 4 An-14
                  - Training Squadron
                  Manpower: 300
                  Assets: 2 Mig-15UTI (gone in T2013), 3 L-29, 4 Yak-18
                  - Helicopter Squadron
                  Manpower: 150
                  Assets: 1 Ecureuil, 1 Gazelle, 1 Mi-8, 2 Puma

                  Navy
                  Manpower: 400
                  Assets: 3 Patrol Boat

                  GUINEA-BISSAU
                  Gendarmerie
                  Manpower: 2000
                  Army
                  - 1 Recce Company
                  Manpower: 200
                  Assets: 10 BRDM-2, 10 BTR-60
                  - 1 Engineer Company
                  Manpower: 200
                  - 1 Armoured Battalion
                  Manpower: 700
                  Assets: 10 T-34, 15 PT-76, 20 BTR-152
                  - 1 Artillery Battalion
                  Manpower: 800
                  Assets: 26 FH122
                  - 5 Infantry Battalion
                  Manpower: 700
                  Assets: 5 BTR-40

                  Air Force
                  Manpower: 100
                  Assets: 3 Mig-17 (gone by the time of T2013), 1 Cessna, 1 Do-27, 1 Alouette III, 1 Mi-8

                  Navy
                  Manpower: 350
                  Assets: 3 Patrol Boat

                  MADAGASCAR
                  I never saw any reason for that country to collapse but I havent found much on its military either. Nevertheless, as the army as a reputation for neutrality I dont imagine it entering a civil war. Of course, Madagascar would experience a fairly high level of Political unrest but this, in my opinion, would result in a deep reorganization of the country resembling that of the 19th century. The Merina would assume control over the central part of the country and over the North East. This would be achieved with support from the army and with support of the other ethnic group in the region (for exemple: Betsileo). As a result, they would control Antananarivo, the center and the coastal cities of the eastern coastt. I could easily imagine for the leaders of this part of the country to assume the title of oeMpanjakan'i Madagasikara (Sovereign of Madagascar). I can also imagine that they establish a flourishing light industry to support their claims. After all, Madagascar produced its own artillery and muskets during the 19th century (If not for an incompetent Queen: Ranavalona III and for the French.invasion of 1897, Madagascar could have achieved a true industrialisation in the early 20th century).
                  However, the North West would escape their rule (Sakalava domination) as would the South and the South West (dominated by semi-nomadic people).

                  Army
                  I havent found much on the Army except that it counts 12.500 personnels and that it is organized in 2 Battalion groups, 1 Engineer Regiment, 1 Signal Regiment and 1 Service Regiment.
                  - Equipments: 12 PT-76, 26 BRDM-2, 50+ Ferret, 30 M3 APC, 30 FH122s, FH105s and AT76, 70 Type 55 37mm and ZPU-4.

                  Air Force
                  In T2K that air force would probably be grounded (lack of fuel) but that might not be the case in T2013 as Madagascar is now exploiting a small amount of off-shore oil.
                  - Combat Squadron
                  Manpower: 150
                  Assets: 8 Mig-21, 4 Mig-17
                  - Helicopter Squadron
                  Manpower: 150
                  Assets: 5 Mi-8
                  - Transport Squadron
                  Manpower: 200
                  Assets: 5 Cessna, 3 An-26, 3 C-47

                  Navy
                  In T2013 the navy would have been expended with 2 patrol crafts, 2 LSTs and 3 LCMs
                  Manpower: 500
                  Assets: 1 Coastal logistic vessel and 1 Coastal utility vessel

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                  • #10
                    More again

                    NAMIBIA
                    That would be a very interesting country with a large territory and a small fairly wealthy population (by African standards) that just got out of the grip of South Africa. Moreover, it can be self sufficient and might continue to exploit several mines (Diamond, Lead, Zinc, Silver, Tin, Tungsten and Uranium). If its situation would certainly depends on what happen to South Africa, that country might well remain stable as you can expect less hunger and almost no ethnic rivalry among its population. HIV/AIDS would be a problem, however. Two questions, then:
                    As no one can really invade it, would it be left alone
                    Would it enter some kind of agreement with one or several of its neighbours (Angola, Botswana or South Africa)

                    T2K v1.0 and v2.0
                    Army
                    Equipments: up to 20 T-55, 12 BRDM-2, 10 BTR-60, BTR-50(), 5 BM-21, 12 ZIS-3, up to 65 ZU-23
                    - Border Police
                    Manpower: 1500
                    - 3rd Infantry Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    - 5th Infantry Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    - Recce Battalion
                    Manpower: 800
                    - Artillery Battalion
                    Manpower: 800
                    - Logistic Battalion
                    Manpower: 800
                    - Engineer Battalion
                    Manpower: 800

                    T2013
                    Army
                    Equipments: up to 20 T-55, 12 BRDM-2, 10 BTR-60, 20 Casspir, 30 MRAP, 5 BM-21, 12 ZIS-3, 24 FH140s (G2) up to 65 ZU-23
                    - Border Police
                    Manpower: 1500
                    - Presidential Guard
                    Manpower: 1000
                    - 1st through 6th Infantry Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    - Support Brigade (artillery, air defense and anti tank)
                    Manpower: 2000
                    - Militias
                    Manpower: 4500

                    Air Force
                    - Fighter Squadron
                    Assets: 2 Mig-23, 12 Chengdu F-7
                    - Training Squadron
                    Assets: 12 JL-8
                    - Transport Squadron:
                    Assets: 5 Cessna, 2 Harbin Y-12, 2 An-12
                    - Helicopter Squadron
                    Assets : 2 Alouette III, 2 Mi-24

                    Navy
                    Manpower : 200
                    Assets : 2 Patrol Boat, 2 Support Ship, 1 Aircraft, 1 Helicopter

                    TANZANIA
                    Im not really sure that I would include that country. Whatever, the army would have lost control over the North West and Zanzibar would be at least autonomous. Zanzibar would then be a perfect place for pirates (Hem! I meant traders ). Numbers are unreliable but can serve as a base of thinking. Personnaly, I consider the country to be in Chaos with Zanzibar being organized as a center of piracy (successful trading center ). The island has been joined by the navy and by some military units.

                    Army
                    - 1 Signal Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    - 1 Anti Tank Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    Assets: 85 AT85
                    - 1 SAM Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    Assets: 20 SA-3, 20 SA-6, SA-7
                    - 2 Air Defense Battalions
                    Manpower: 1000
                    Assets: ZPU-4 (400 in total)
                    - 2 Mortar Battalion (150 to 350 mortars in total)
                    Manpower: 1000
                    - 2 Field Artillery Battalion
                    Manpower: 1000
                    Assets: BM-21, FH122s (58 BM-21 and 240 FH122s in total: several in other units)
                    - 1 Armoured Brigade
                    Manpower: 4000
                    Assets: 45 Type 59 MBT, 66 Type 62 light tank, 30 YW-531
                    - 5 to 8 Infantry Brigade
                    Manpower: 4000
                    Assets: 3 BRDM-2, 6 BTR-152
                    - Citizens Militia (T2K)
                    Manpower: 100,000

                    Air Force (up to 3000 personnels)
                    The number of aircraft in flying order is much reduced than what you find here.
                    - Fighter Squadron
                    Assets: 12 Mig-21 replaced by 11 Chengdu F-7
                    - Attack Squadron
                    Assets: 10 Shenyang J-6 or 8 Shenyang F-5 (depending on source)
                    - Transport Squadron
                    Assets: 2 Y-5, 2 Y-12, 3 DHC-5, 3 HS-748 ( )
                    - Training Squadron
                    Assets: 2 Mig-15UTI, 2 Yak-52, 5 PA-28, 5 Cessna
                    - Helicopter Squadron
                    Assets: 6 Bell-206, 4 AB-205

                    Navy
                    Manpower: 1000
                    Assets: 2 Shanghai II class, 4 Patrol Boat, 2 LCU (Yunnan-class)

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                    • #11
                      Two More

                      TOGO

                      Army
                      - Gendarmerie
                      Manpower: 750
                      Assets: 3 M3 APC
                      - Commando Regiment
                      Manpower: 500
                      - Support Regiment
                      Field Artillery Battery:
                      Manpower: 100
                      Assets: 4 FH105s
                      2 ADA Battereries:
                      Manpower: 100
                      Assets: 5 M1939 37mm, 4 ZPU-4
                      Engineer Battalion:
                      Manpower: 400
                      - Presidential Guard
                      2 Combine Arm Companies:
                      Manpower: 100
                      Commando Battalion:
                      Manpower: 300
                      Infantry Battalion:
                      Manpower: 400
                      Assets: 5 ZPU-4
                      - 2 Infantry Regiment
                      Armoured Company:
                      Manpower: 100
                      Assets: 2 T-55 (1 regiment only), 2 EE-9, 6 Scorpion
                      Mechanized Company: (T2013)
                      Manpower: 150
                      Assets: 10 BMP-2
                      2 Motorized Battalions:
                      Manpower: 400
                      Assets: 5 ZPU-4, 5 AML-90, 8 EE-9, 8 UR-416

                      Air Force
                      - VIP Squadron
                      Manpower: 50
                      Assets: 1 Puma, 2 King Air, 3 Cessna
                      - Transport Squadron
                      Manpower: 100
                      Assets: 2 DHC-5, 2 Alouette II, 3 Alouette III
                      - Attack/Air Strike Squadron
                      Manpower: 100
                      Assets: 5 Alpha Jet, 4 EMB-326, 4 CM-170 (unsure in T2013), 4 Epsilon

                      Navy
                      Manpower: 150+50 Marines
                      Assets: 2 Patrol Boat

                      ZA RE:
                      I hesitated some times about that country but it has been facing so many unrest, rebellions and massacres that I finally considered that it was entirely facing chaos. All sorts of military forces can be found equipped with weapons ranging from spears and matchets to T-55. However, in T2K the country (Za-re) was still under the rule of Mobutu (something close to an ogre) and the slip into chaos could have been slow and very bloody. At the time, the army was well trained but poorly equipped (some units still had spears in 1978 and that could still be the case) with low morale and often unpaid.
                      Shaba = Katanga

                      National Gendarmerie
                      Manpower: 21,000

                      Army
                      - Special Presidential Division (Kinshasa)
                      Manpower: 7000 to 10000 (well paid and equipped)
                      - Kamanyola Infantry Division (Kolwezi): 11th, 12th and 14th Infantry Brigades
                      Manpower: 7000
                      - 31st Parachute Brigade (Kinshasa and Kamina Base in Shabal): 1 Support and 3 Parachute Battalions
                      Manpower: 1500
                      - 1st Armoured Brigade (Mbanza-Ngungu)
                      Manpower: 2000
                      - 41st Commando Brigade (Kisangani)
                      Manpower: 1500
                      - 13th Infantry Brigade (Shaba Region): 1 Support and 3 Infantry Battalion
                      Manpower: 1500
                      - 21st Infantry Brigade (Lubumbashi): 1 Support and 3 Infantry Battalion
                      Manpower: 1500
                      I couldnt found out what was the assets of each unit but here is what was in the inventory in 1993: 10 M60 MBT, 13 AMX-13, 20 Type 59 MBT, 40 Type 62 light tank, 28 Ferret, 30 AML-60, 30 AML-90, 12 M113, 12 YW-531, 12 VAB, 15 BTR-60, 60 M3A1, 250 BTR-152, 10 BM-21, 20 MRL107, 20 FH122, 20 AT85, 30 FH76, 40 M1939 37mm, 50 Mortar 120.

                      Air Force: (1800 personnels)
                      - 1 Fighter Squadron
                      Assets: 8 Mirage 5, 3 Cessna
                      - 1 COIN squadron
                      Assets: 14 MB-326, 20 Cessna
                      - 1 Helicopter Squadron
                      Assets: 3 Cessna, 4 Alouette III, 6 Bell 47, 6 Puma
                      - 1 Transport wing
                      Assets: 2 Mu-2J, 2 C-46, 3 F-27, 4 DHC-5, 5 C-130, 6 C-54, 8 C-47
                      - 1 Training Element
                      Assets: 8 Warrior, 15 Cessna

                      Navy
                      Manpower: 1300 including 600 marines
                      Assets: 2 Shanghai II, 4 Huchuan, 3 P-4 PT, 20 Coastal Patrol Craft

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mohoender
                        NAMIBIA
                        That would be a very interesting country with a large territory and a small fairly wealthy population (by African standards) that just got out of the grip of South Africa. Moreover, it can be self sufficient and might continue to exploit several mines (Diamond, Lead, Zinc, Silver, Tin, Tungsten and Uranium). If its situation would certainly depends on what happen to South Africa, that country might well remain stable as you can expect less hunger and almost no ethnic rivalry among its population. HIV/AIDS would be a problem, however. Two questions, then:
                        As no one can really invade it, would it be left alone
                        Would it enter some kind of agreement with one or several of its neighbours (Angola, Botswana or South Africa)
                        I think the crucial question is whether South Africa follows its real life timeline and is a multi racial democracy by the start of the Twilight War or remains an apartheid state. I seem to recall that this was discussed a while back on the old board.

                        I understand that one of the catalysts for the apartheid government engaging in talks with Nelson Mandela in the late 80's was the collapse of communism, which never happened in the V1 timeline, so the question is would the Boers still have been in power, in which case I personally think that South Africa would have fallen in to a state of anarchy, with civil war going on between multiple factions, much as described in Larry Bond's Vortex.

                        A multi party democracy under Mandela, who would have been President during the Twilight War if you follow the real life timeline is much more likely to remain a stable, calming force throughout the region.

                        As I'm a traditional V1 Twilighter, I personally go for the Civil War option, but that's just my two cents worth...

                        (Sorry if this is slightly drifting from the thread's topic...)
                        Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United Kingdom

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          More questions to Rainbow Six (South Africa OOB)

                          As I agree with you, here is South Africa. Nevertheless, even if you follow v1.0, South Africa would have granted independence to Namibia.

                          SOUTH AFRICA
                          I kept this one for the end as it remain a special case in Africa and as it will be more demanding.

                          If following T2K (either v1.0 or v2.0), I would expect the government to maintain the Apartheid system in face of the increasing tensions. Of course, during the war, with hunger and sicknesses, that would lead to Civil war. However, ethnic tensions (among blacks) the devastating effect of AIDS and starvation would certainly give the upper hand to the white dominated army. Nevertheless, even if they get support from part of the black population, that will pose tremendous problems as they will have to get more white conscripts. In the Outcome, the country would stabilze toward 2000 with organized regions on the coasts, in the East and around the economical centers. Chaos would predominate elsewhere and the level of population would have dropped significantly despite the fact that the country didnt receive any nukes. With a true industry that would not be that much in bad shape and energy still flooding, the country might have become one of the major power in the world. Some could argue, that South Africa would have joined with the ally but that is doubtful as years of embargo would have left its mark. In T2K that country might retain some nuclear capabilities.

                          Army
                          Conventional Force
                          - 43rd SA Brigade
                          Manpower: 5500
                          Assets: 36 Rooikat, 67 Casspir, 190 Ratel, 27 FH155
                          Headquarter
                          Field Workshop
                          Maintenance unit
                          Engineer Regiment
                          Field Artillery Regiment
                          Armored Recce Regiment
                          2 Mechanized Battalions
                          Motorized Infantry Battalion
                          - 44th Parachute Brigade
                          Manpower: 2500
                          13th Signal Squadron
                          44th Pathfinder Platoon
                          44th Medical Task Group
                          1st, 2nd and 3rd Parachute Battalions
                          - 45th Parachute Brigade
                          Manpower: 2500
                          Special Force HQ
                          Special Force Store
                          451st, 452nd and 453rd Parachute Battalions
                          Mobilization Force
                          - 7th Division
                          Manpower: 20000
                          Assets: 56 Olifant MBT, 72 Rooikat, 300 Casspir, 350 Ratel, 14 G6 155 SP,
                          17 MLRS, 40 FH155, 56 GDF-35
                          Headquarter
                          Support Elements
                          SAMS Medical Battalion Group
                          1st Special Service Battalion (Armored)
                          2 Artillery Regiments
                          2 ADA Regiments
                          3 Mechanized Brigades
                          Headquarter
                          Field Workshop
                          Maintenance unit
                          Engineer Regiment
                          Field Artillery Regiment
                          Armored Recce Regiment
                          Armoured Battalion
                          Mechanized Battalion
                          Motorized Infantry Battalion
                          - 8th Division
                          Manpower: 20000
                          Assets: 56 Olifant MBT, 72 Rooikat, 300 Casspir, 350 Ratel, 14 G6 155 SP,
                          17 MLRS, 40 FH155, 56 GDF-35
                          Headquarter
                          Support Elements
                          SAMS Medical Battalion Group
                          1st Special Service Battalion (Armored)
                          2 Artillery Regiments
                          2 ADA Regiments
                          3 Mechanized Brigades
                          Headquarter
                          Field Workshop
                          Maintenance unit
                          Engineer Regiment
                          Field Artillery Regiment
                          Armored Recce Regiment
                          Armoured Battalion
                          Mechanized Battalion
                          Motorized Infantry Battalion
                          - 9th Division
                          Manpower: 20000
                          Assets: 56 Olifant MBT, 72 Rooikat, 300 Casspir, 350 Ratel, 14 G6 155 SP,
                          17 MLRS, 40 FH155, 56 GDF-35
                          Headquarter
                          Support Elements
                          SAMS Medical Battalion Group
                          1st Special Service Battalion (Armored)
                          2 Artillery Regiments
                          2 ADA Regiments
                          3 Mechanized Brigades
                          Headquarter
                          Field Workshop
                          Maintenance unit
                          Engineer Regiment
                          Field Artillery Regiment
                          Armored Recce Regiment
                          Armoured Battalion
                          Mechanized Battalion
                          Motorized Infantry Battalion

                          Territorial Force
                          9 Regional Army Commands (Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Johannesburg, Kimberley, Durban, Bloemfontein, Pretoria, Potchefstroom, Nelspruit, and Pietersburg)
                          - 17 Commandos in each regional command
                          Manpower: 400

                          Air Force (11000 personnels)
                          AFB Langebaanweg
                          - 526th Base Security Squadron
                          - Central Flying School
                          Assets: 20 PC-7
                          AFB Ysterpllat
                          - 2nd Air Servicing Unit
                          - 505th Base Security Squadron
                          - 22nd Squadron
                          Assets: 4 Alouette III, 6 Oryx
                          - 35th Squadron
                          Assets: 10 C-47TP
                          - 109th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          - 110th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Overberg
                          - 525th Base Security Squadron
                          - 3rd Squadron
                          Assets: 16 Mirage F-1
                          - 8th Squadron
                          Assets: 20 Impala Mk II
                          - 103rd Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Bloemspruit
                          - 506th Base Security Squadron
                          - 16th Squadron
                          Assets: 20 Alouette III
                          - 87th Helicopter Flying School
                          Assets: 2 BK-117, 6 Alouette III, 6 Oryx
                          - 106th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          - 107th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Durban
                          - 508th Base Security Squadron
                          - 15th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 BK-117, 9 Oryx
                          - 105th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Waterkloof
                          - 5th Air Servicing Unit
                          - 504th Base Security Squadron
                          - 17th Squadron
                          Assets: 2 BK-117, 5 Alouette III, 9 Oryx
                          - 21st Squadron
                          Assets: 2 Cessna Citation, 2 Falcon 50, 1 Falcon 900, 1 Boeing 707
                          - 28th Squadron
                          Assets: 9 C-160 Transall
                          - 41st Squadron
                          Assets: 12 Cessna 208, 4 King Air, 1 PC-12
                          - 42nd Squadron
                          Assets: 12 Cessna 185, 1 PC-6
                          - 44th Squadron
                          Assets: 10 Cessna 185, 4 Aviocar, 1 CN-235
                          - 104th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          - 111th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Hoedspruit
                          - 7th Air Servicing Unit
                          - 514th Base Security Squadron
                          - 1st Squadron
                          Assets: 32 Mirage F-1
                          - 19th Squadron
                          Assets: 2 BK-117, 9 Oryx
                          - 101st Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Makhado
                          - 3rd Air Servicing Unit
                          - 515th Base Security Squadron
                          - 2nd Squadron
                          Assets: 28 Cheetah
                          - 85th Combat Flying School
                          Assets: 24 Impala Mk II
                          - 102nd Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7

                          Navy
                          Manpower: 6500
                          - 9 Saar 4 PG
                          - 4 River-class MSH
                          - 4 Type 320 MSH
                          - 3 Daphn SSK
                          - 1 Fleet Tanker


                          If following T2013, that would evolve very differently. Ethnic tensions would be directed primarily against foreigners but the country would not avoid it and it would lose a fair part of its population because of this. Then, the army would bring its forces together in order to face the various threat that could appear, designing several security zone that would remain organized. These could be more important than in T2K but large zone of chaos would exist, nevertheless. The country would still be able to get electricity but the supply would be more shaky and the industry, also still there, would be less in shape as the government would have been taken in the middle of reform process. Losses in human life could be important as the army would lack sufficient supply and proper organization for a time. For some times, it would remain unable to intervene everywhere and it would let several unrest go extreme.

                          Army
                          Special Forces
                          - Special Force Brigade
                          Manpower: 1500
                          Maintenance Unit
                          4th Special Force Regiment
                          5th Special Force Regiment
                          Conventional Force
                          43rd SA Brigade HQ
                          - 1st Construction Engineer Regiment
                          Manpower: 500
                          - 2nd, 14th and 35th Field Engineer Regiment
                          Manpower: 500
                          - 10th ADA Regiment
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 57 GDF-35
                          - 4th Artillery Regiment
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 12 G6 155SP, 24 MRL
                          - 1st South African Tank Regiment
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 38 Olifant MBT
                          - 1st Special Service Battalion
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 42 Rooikat
                          - 3rd Mechanized Infantry Battalion
                          Manpower: 700
                          Assets: 38 Rooikat, Ratel, 8 G6 155SP
                          - 61st Mechanized Infantry Battalion
                          Manpower: 700
                          Assets: Ratel
                          - 1st, 2nd and 4th Motorized Infantry Battalion
                          Manpower: 700
                          Assets: Casspir Mk III, Buffel
                          - 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 14th, 15th, 115th, 116th, 118th, 121st Light Infantry Battalions
                          Manpwoer: 700
                          - 44th Parachute Regiment
                          Manpower: 1800
                          13th Signal Squadron
                          44th Pathfinder Platoon
                          44th Medical Task Group
                          1st, 2nd and 3rd Parachute Battalions
                          Mobilization Force
                          46th SA Brigade HQ
                          - 3rd, 6th and 19th Field Engineer Regiment
                          Manpower: 500
                          - 2 Air Defense Regiment (6th ADA Regiment and Cape Garrison Artillery)
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 57 GDF-35
                          - Transvaal Horse Artillery Regiment
                          Manpower: 600
                          Assets: 18 G6 155SP, 24 MRL
                          - 6 Field Artillery Regiment (Cape Field Artillery, Natal Field Artillery, Transvaalse Staatsartillery, Vrystaaatse Artillery Regiment, Regiment Oos Transvaal and Regiment Vaalriver)
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 24 FH155
                          - 5 Tank Regiment (Natal Mounted Rifle, Umvoti Mounted Rifle, Pretoria Regiment, Regiment Mooirivier and Regiment President Steyn)
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 42 Olifant MBT
                          - 2 Armoured Car Recce Regiment (Light Horse Regiment and Regiment Orangerivier
                          Manpower: 500
                          Assets: 60 Rooikat
                          - 9 Mechanized Infantry Regiment (Cape Town Highlanders, Durban Light Infantry, Rand Light Infantry, Regiment Bloemspruit, Regiment de la Rey, Regiment Westelike Provincie, South African Irish, Transvaal Scottish and Witwatersrand Rifles Regiment)
                          Manpower: 700
                          Assets: Ratel
                          - 6 Motorized Infantry Regiment (Cape Town Rifles, Johannesburg Regiment, Kimberley Regiment, Natal Carabineers, Prince Alfreds Guard and Regiment Skoonspruit)
                          Manpower: 700
                          Assets: Casspir Mk III, Buffel
                          - 2 Light Infantry Regiment (Durban Regiment, Buffalo Volunteers Rifles)
                          Manpower: 700

                          Territorial Force
                          5 Regional Task Force
                          - 36 Commandos in each Task Force
                          Manpower: 400

                          Air Force (9300 personnels)
                          AFB Langebaanweg
                          - 526th Base Security Squadron
                          - Central Flying School
                          Assets: 20 PC-7
                          AFB Ysterpllat
                          - 2nd Air Servicing Unit
                          - 505th Base Security Squadron
                          - 22nd Squadron
                          Assets: 4 Lynx 300, 6 Oryx
                          - 35th Squadron
                          Assets: 10 C-47TP
                          - 110th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Overberg
                          - 525th Base Security Squadron
                          - 3rd Squadron
                          Assets: 20 Impala Mk II
                          - 8th Squadron
                          Assets: 20 Impala Mk II
                          - 103rd Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Bloemspruit
                          - 506th Base Security Squadron
                          - 16th Squadron
                          Assets: 12 Rooivalk
                          - 87th Helicopter Flying School
                          Assets: 2 BK-117, 9 A-109, 9 Oryx
                          - 106th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          - 107th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Durban
                          - 508th Base Security Squadron
                          - 15th Squadron
                          Assets: 9 A-109, 9 Oryx
                          - 105th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Waterkloof
                          - 5th Air Servicing Unit
                          - 504th Base Security Squadron
                          - 17th Squadron
                          Assets: 2 BK-117, 2 A-109, 9 Oryx
                          - 21st Squadron
                          Assets: 2 Cessna Citation, 2 Falcon 50, 1 Falcon 900, 1 Boeing 737
                          - 28th Squadron
                          Assets: 9 C-160 Transall
                          - 41st Squadron
                          Assets: 12 Cessna 208, 4 King Air, 1 PC-12
                          - 44th Squadron
                          Assets: 10 Cessna 185, 4 Aviocar, 1 CN-235
                          - 104th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          - 111th Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Hoedspruit
                          - 7th Air Servicing Unit
                          - 514th Base Security Squadron
                          - 1st Squadron
                          Assets: 28 Cheetah
                          - 19th Squadron
                          Assets: 9 A-109, 9 Oryx
                          - 101st Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7
                          AFB Makhado
                          - 3rd Air Servicing Unit
                          - 515th Base Security Squadron
                          - 2nd Squadron
                          Assets: 26 Saab JAS-39
                          - 85th Combat Flying School
                          Assets: 24 Hawk Mk 120
                          - 102nd Squadron
                          Assets: 4 PC-7

                          Navy
                          Manpower: 7500
                          - 4 Meko A200 SAN (SAS Amatola, Isandlwana, Mendi and Spioenkop)
                          - 5 Saar 4 PG
                          - 4 River-class MSH
                          - 4 Type 320 MSH
                          - 3 Type 209 SSK
                          - 3 Daphn SSK
                          - 1 Fleet Tanker

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                            What is left aside

                            OTHER AFRICAN COUNTRIES
                            With this, Ill try to explain why I leave several countries aside:

                            - Burundi and Rwanda: the ethnic war between Tutsis and Hutus would have started again and these countries would be at the center of one of the most chaotic region of Africa. Both countries would be at the center of this region of chaos but massacres and turmoil would extend on most of Uganda, on the North West of Tanzania and on Eastern DRC to the rich region of Katanga (Kolwezi). In these areas, villages would be at war with each other and you would witness scenes of barbary almost everywhere: people skinned alive, warrior eating the hearts and brains of their victims (in order to aquire their strength) Moreover, several fighting goups would be using the local sorcerer and a large amount of drugs. That will not make them invincible but as they would not feel pain, as a result of it, they would be able to sustain much more wound level that they normally should. Good luck.

                            - Cape Verde Islands: Not much to say except that they are islands and might have cut themselves from the world, much like other islands in the Carribean. Its army is composed of 4 infantry company (about 200 each).

                            - Central Africa: I dont know much about this country and it might well have survived. Its self-sufficient and at the same time on the brink of starvation. Moroever, it ccan be doubtful that the country surviving without UN backing. Finally, the army is so small (about 3500) that I doubt that it can really face any internal threat. Thats a do as you please country.

                            - Chad: This country would have dissolved under ethinc pressure and it would not retain any kind of armed forces. However, several militias can hold the ground depending on the location.

                            - Cote dIvoire: Taking into account the event that led to the French intervention in that country I considered that it is in a stage of Civil War. All French troops had been withdrawn and they were sent to Cameroon in order to reinforce the local government and control the resources of that other country.

                            - Equatorial Guinea: Nothing sufficient to work with. Anyway with something like 1000 troopers, that country would have been swallowed in the general chaos predominating in T2K.

                            - Ethiopia/Somalia/Sudan: Ethiopia has the largest ground force of sub-saharian Africa (at some point, around 300000 troops with about 30 Infantry Division+several other units) but at the time of T2K it was in turmoil. The last communist dictator had fallen (also you can think of a Russian intervention in support of Mengistu for v1.0) and the army was facing several insurgent groups (including several groups from Eritrea). Moreover, in real life, it was believed that the army could only achieve a 30% level of readiness. With all this, I considered that the country is in Chaos, being in the middle of the second area of pure chaos in Africa (the first one being centered on Burundi and Rwanda). This area would include Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan (everyone knows about the situation in these two countries). However, if Ill consider both Somalia and Sudan to be in anarchy that might not be the case for all of Ethiopia. I easily can imagine areas of stability centered on religious communities. Nevertheless, if you were to travel in this area you could face well equipped rebel groups (by T2Ks standard) with tanks, APCs, artillery and heavy weapons. In this region people are not equipped with matchets as they are in the Burundi/Rwanda region. Nice place to go if you want to have fun. Why go there could you ask I can come up with several idea including the facts that the French retain a base in Djibouti and that US troops are still in Kenya. Else, this is a land of all possible fantasy, one of the oldest country on earth and an ancient Christian Kingdom.
                            If you want to know more on the Orbat, just take a look at wikipedia, I dont have anything more.
                            Equipments to be found: T-72, M60, T-62, T-55, M-47, T-34, M41 light tank, Type 62 light tank, AML-90, BRDM-2, Ferret, Saladin, BMP-1, BTR-50, BTR-60, BTR-152, V-150 Commando, M113,ZSU-57-2, ZSU-23-4, M163 Vulcan, BM-21, FH155, FH122, FH105, FH75

                            - Gambia: That country would have fallen to Senegal or to the rebels operating in the south of Senegal.

                            - Liberia: I considered that this country was in total chaos at the time of T2K. For a question of ease I plunged it back into it during T2013.

                            - Malawi: Depending a lot on outside help, I expect that country to have vanished. However, it might be a fairly quiet rural region.

                            - Mozambique: I think that this country would be facing a full civil war involving troops from the original government and the Renamo. The situation could be slightly better than in the horn of Africa or than around Burundi/Rwanda but it would be chaos, nevertheless.

                            - Niger: I dont think that this country survived. It would be the theatre and the rear base of Tuareg insurgency.

                            - Nigeria: For that important country of Africa, youll find a good source in the Merc Gazeteer. Sorry if Im not coming up with anything but thats pure leaziness on my part. That country was among the only one to be nuked in Africa (with Cabinda), it is facing a multiple front civil war and it is simply confusion with a tremendous death rate among the population. One word: Devastated!

                            - Sierra Leone: Civil War.

                            - Uganda: Being drawn into the war between Hutus and Tutsis, this country would have collapsed.

                            I'm done with Africa, feel free to add some

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