Stepping backward.. Lower tech.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I've seen references in some gun magazines to the semi-auto Thompsons as carbines regardless of barrel length. I think it's a safe enough label to apply to the semi-auto versions.
I have a vague recollection that during the 1950s to about the 1980s the M1 Carbine was reasonably popular as a hunting gun for light-medium game.

[bobcat]

well for small arms if you need a cheap and easy shotgun you can't get any more simplistic than the Cobray Terminator. decent enough for hunting small game but there is a reason it beats the street sweeper in the worlds worst shogun category.

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[ArmySGT.]

Why not coindicence range finder A watch maker and optician can make the lenses and small gears.



Or the donkey ears style trench binoculars/rangefinders.


No batteries required.

Note, that in the case of T2K several Warsaw Pact countries were fielding these still as regular equipment in active units at the start of the conflict.

It is NATO that went the more high tech (and efficient) route that is suffering with the collapse of economy and industry.

[rcaf_777]

You can also add

The Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk 1 and Mk 2, although production has ceased it off shoots are still going strong and it is still issued to some para military units like the Canadian Rangers. With an estimated 17 million rifles made in six countries, this rifle is second to only the MosinNagant in terms numbers produced and length of service. The models still in service are:

Ishapore 2A1 rifle, a converted rifle which fires 7.62mm NATO round. They are still being made in India.

L42A1 Sniper Rifle, another conversion like the Ishapore 2A1, used by the British Army in frontline service till the early 90s

Lee Enfield Envoy, conversation of Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk 2 in a sport version firing 7.62mm

Enfield Enforcer, Same as the Envoy but used by the UK Metropolitan Police, not common place but still possible is used by a small police detachment in the UK around twilight.

De Lisle Commando carbine, both Valkyrie Arms and Special Interest Arms make replica of this rifle.

MosinNagant is the most produced rifle in history and the longest continuously serving rifle in history, at more than 120 years. Only the British Brown Bess Musket (1720-1865) has been in service longer. As the Soviet Union grew into a world power it gave away tens of thousands of these weapons to anyone claiming to be a communist fighting the evil capitalist of the west.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I'd like to point out that the Ishapore 2A rifles are conversions of the design but the rifles themselves are new builds and are not conversions of .303 Lee Enfields to 7.62x51mm.

[ArmySGT.]

I'd like to point out that the Ishapore 2A rifles are conversions of the design but the rifles themselves are new builds and are not conversions of .303 Lee Enfields to 7.62x51mm.

Beat me to it..... An Ishapore is also derived from the No 3.

I own one. It is fun to shoot. Course, some old Fudd at the range will either complain about my military rifle or that I should shoot American ammo.

Ishapores were manufactured at the Ishapore plant wherein Lee Enfields were made for colonial units. When India was making the transition to 7.62 NATO FALs ......... there weren't enough to go around.... These were intended for Border, Police, and Militia units in India's mixed up crazy quilt of internal States and Territories.

forgot to add....... the No8 is the conversion of .303s to 7.62NATO

[James Langham2]

Beat me to it..... An Ishapore is also derived from the No 3.

I own one. It is fun to shoot. Course, some old Fudd at the range will either complain about my military rifle or that I should shoot American ammo.

Ishapores were manufactured at the Ishapore plant wherein Lee Enfields were made for colonial units. When India was making the transition to 7.62 NATO FALs ......... there weren't enough to go around.... These were intended for Border, Police, and Militia units in India's mixed up crazy quilt of internal States and Territories.

forgot to add....... the No8 is the conversion of .303s to 7.62NATO

No8 in UK service is usually a similar weapon but in .22 for training use.Very common in cadet units at the time but rarer in TA and regular unirs who had access to HK conversion kits for the SA80. They are JUST about to leave service.

[ArmySGT.]

No8 in UK service is usually a similar weapon but in .22 for training use.Very common in cadet units at the time but rarer in TA and regular unirs who had access to HK conversion kits for the SA80. They are JUST about to leave service.

Sorry... it is L8.... not No8

[unkated]

It is not exactly pertinent to this topic as a whole, but....

Can someone tell me what the L in British kit designations since WW2 stands for

Much of the world uses 'M' (boringly) for Model (in various European languages), but Britain started using L - anyone know why

Uncle Ted

[RN7]

It is not exactly pertinent to this topic as a whole, but....

Can someone tell me what the L in British kit designations since WW2 stands for

Much of the world uses 'M' (boringly) for Model (in various European languages), but Britain started using L - anyone know why

Uncle Ted

I believe the L designation in British Army weapons stands for Land Service and started to be used in the 1950's.

British Royal Navy weapons systems are designated by N and stand for Naval Service. Canada also uses C for Canadian, and the Australians use F for Forces.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Now I can't say for certain what the letters actually stand for but I can add that from what I remember they were jointly decided upon by Australia, Canada, the UK & the USA (essentially, all the major English-speaking allies) as part of a unified designation system to readily distinguish and also identify the origin of allied equipment.

It certainly could prove interesting at times as for example, in Australia at one point we were using the M60 machinegun on the L3 tripod with a C2 sight for indirect fire while using F4 ammunition.
And it's exactly the reason why our SLRs were called L1A1, because it was initially a British design (as in, it's a semi-auto only variant of the FAL) but our shortened SLRs (designed for the PNG military) were designated L1A1-F1

[.45cultist]

All of this equipment belongs typically to the State, even the stuff in High School VoTech (Vocational Technology, for non-Americans). Since the U.S. has functioning governments to some degree, I think this would all be collected up and transported somewhere else for the Reconstruction.... or a if there was power available, put to work on the spot for Reconstruction projects.

But, this is serious thread drift. Maybe a Mod can clip it out and start an American Wojo Factory thread with it all

Factories, one for each region would minimize the dangers of transport and alieve worries that region X is being slighted for region Y.