FLAGS,SYMBOLS,PATCHES,MARKINGS of the 2nd American Civil war and related conflicts

[headquarters]

I saw an interesting question on another forum .Someone asked for examples of symbols and flags ,shoulder patches,markings ,camopatterns etc used by the various sides .

Can anyone give info on this

The MilGov flag What markings on vehicles and aircraftWhat differences in uniform compared to CivGov

What about other factions Polish Free States Separatists in other countries

Anything is appreciated.

If this already has been gone over I would really like a link to that thread.

[chico20854]

New America wears blue arm bands according to Airlords of the Ozarks.

I would imagine that both Milgov and Civgov, both claiming to be the legitimate governemnt of the US, would be loath to adopt any markings that differed from pre-war or wartime markings. There might be tactical markings that are adopted by local commanders to distinguish between vehicles from Civgov or Milgov troops - a la the "invasion stripes" on allied aircraft for the Normandy invasion or the white stripes the Pact vehicles used during the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. I think that would be relatively rare, however, as many encounters between Civgov and Milgov troops would be long-range patrols, most likely on horseback or on foot.

The Polish Free Legion would use the pre-WW II Polish flag with the national coat of arms on it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fl..._Polskiej.PNG). The Communists in Poland basically outlawwed the use of that flag. The cover art of one of the Return to Europe modules (White Eagle) has Polish partisans flying a red flag with the Polish Eagle on it.

I could see other pre-Communist flags being used throughout Eastern Europe. The Romanian revolution in 1989 featured Romanian flags with the communist coat of arms prominently cut out of the middle.

Uniforms would likely be legacy uniforms. Shoulder patches and tactical markings would be up to the GM...

[Mohoender]

I'll only be talking of US here. Currently no time to think of flags for other countries. I have found a few on the net that are interesting and made up a few for both Civgov and Milgov.

The two flags found on the net are the US-communist flags and the US-native flag.

Of course each state has its own while a new confederate state would certainly adopt one of the confederate flags (whatever version would be nice or even may be several).

For Civgov, I propose a flag combining the US flag with the presidential flag.

For Milgov, I used either the same idea (US flag combined with US army flag) or a flag combining the 1916's presidential flag and the US flag (I like it better just because I find it more fun).

[Mohoender]

Erf, the fact that the US communist flag is bigger than the others was not made on purpose. I was taking care of my daughters and didn't noticed the size of it. It would be more difficult for aircraft markings. Any idea

[kato13]

I Like there are two Presidential Flags with the eagle changing direction. One looking at the olive branch (peace) and one looking at the Arrows (war)

[headquarters]

good pics

but as Chico said ,changing means giving up legitimacy as the continuation gov .But I do like the part about combat markings etc -sounds natural.

I think I might use some of the flags though -nothing spells secession like messing with the flag layout!

[Mohoender]

but as Chico said ,changing means giving up legitimacy as the continuation gov .But I do like the part about combat markings etc -sounds natural.

I think I might use some of the flags though -nothing spells secession like messing with the flag layout!

I agree and that's why I thought that a combination of the presidential flag and national flag could be an idea. It shows your difference while still making a statement about legitimacy.

[Mohoender]

I made four more flags for France. Yes it remained outside of the war but the flag still can change.

One is a funny flag that I found about Belgium current situation (not relevant to this topic but I couldn't resist ).

Then, in my opinion, you'll find:
- the flag of Britany (probably semi independent from Paris).
- the Union Corse (combining the flag of Provence with the black head of Corsica)
- two possibilities for the Franco-Belgian Union. I like the one with the rooster of wallony. However, the other one includes the flag of Lige in the French flag. It makes an important statement as most people in the Province of Lige would tell you that their province is the only one and true Belgium. I'm not convinced by this but they have a point: Lige always retained some kind of independence under the rule of its Prince.

[Mohoender]

Civgov, Milgov...

To get back to the main topics, here are the flag I would addopt

Cilgov flag would be made with the presidential flag with the eagle looking at the olive branch while Milgov flag would be made from a presidential flag with an eagle looking at the arrows. They are very similar but I agree with Chico and Kato. Both make a statement for legitimacy and I like the silght difference noted by Kato (actually I didn't even noticed it when I designed these flags; very good one Kato)

I picked up the idea of a confederate sovereign state (as I like that idea) and, of course, they are using the late confederate flag as they are also looking for some kind of legitimacy.

For New America, I simply used the Bonnie-Blue Flag as Chico reminded me of the blue arm band worn by New America in the Ozarks.

In my game I have an Allegheny Free State and used for it a modified flag from the Allegheny City Guard (I just find it very nice )

[Mohoender]

Independent states

Several states are independent or semi independent in my game. Several are keeping their own flag and you will easily find them: Hawaii, New York City (Per cannon and, in my game, part of New York City survived), Rhode-Island, Texas, and Utah.

However, I slightly modified the flag of Alaska. When the Russian troops there found themselves isolated from Moscow, they switched loyalty to protect the people of Alaska (with help of several US personnels cut from command). As a result, they formed a semi-independent state that has more ties with the US and a new flag is now flown over Alaska.

[Mohoender]

Native nations

Again, in my game, several important native nations have become semi-independent and they rule over their territories. They are not truly secessionist but, as specific groups, they might represent some form of stability.

I put five in the US:
- Cherokee (I love their flag)
- Iroquois
- Navajo
- Seminoles
- Sioux

[Mohoender]

Canada

Canada was not as shaken as the US by internal disorder. It retains its own flag and its easy to find that of Quebec.

However, I put one for the Algonquian (found on internet) and designed one for Sault Ste Marie (I like the idea of that city being semi-independent) combining the tribal flag with the canadian flag.

[Mohoender]

Mexico

I would consider Mexico to be the last actor in the 2nd US civil war and it had its own civil war. As a result several flags are also in use in Mexico:

- Federales
- Constitutionales
- Nationalistas (the small square flag with the crown: Iturbide's flag)
- FMRP
- Chiapas

[General Pain]

other flags

the sourcebooks located below also has some fictive flags

http://thebigbookofwar.50megs.com/DOX/0-SOURCEBOOKS/

[Graebarde]

I'll only be talking of US here. Currently no time to think of flags for other countries. I have found a few on the net that are interesting and made up a few for both Civgov and Milgov.

The two flags found on the net are the US-communist flags and the US-native flag.

Of course each state has its own while a new confederate state would certainly adopt one of the confederate flags (whatever version would be nice or even may be several).

For Civgov, I propose a flag combining the US flag with the presidential flag.

For Milgov, I used either the same idea (US flag combined with US army flag) or a flag combining the 1916's presidential flag and the US flag (I like it better just because I find it more fun).

WTF did the US-communist flag come from Sounds like a target got missed somewhere! As for factional flags, the Milgov and Civgov BOTH would fly the stars and stripes. Are we talking something else here The stars and bars (confederate battle flag) would be local use, non official at all. State flags, ie the Lone Star would be common amoung Texas units I think. And Bonnie Blue is NOT a good choice for NA IMO. Flags are symbols and the reuse of them by others is a bit touchy sometimes.