4th ed T2K

[Olefin]

So the UK sends everything basically to fight and doesnt even leave the Territorial units behind What the heck That makes basically no sense at all - there is no way the UK commits everything and basically leaves themsevles bare naked against the Soviets - and reading Reset this isnt just the 5th that gets destroyed - its basically most of NATO

Three Polish Corps, one UK, one US, one German, one Netherlands, one Belgian - ALL of them get overrun and are "running for the woods" What the heck - so basically the Soviets win the war and NATO is finished This in a war with the active participation on the NATO side of multiple former Warsaw Pact nations and France

So we are to believe the Soviets destroy EIGHT FULL CORPS

Sorry when exactly did the Soviet Army become an unstoppable juggernaut against basically the entire armies of Western Europe, the US, and Central and Eastern Europe

And what happened to all the reinforcements that were being sent - that many men would have rebuilt back to full strength every unit in the US Army that got deployed to Europe- are they saying that ALL OF THEM died on the way over

[Olefin]

Eight full Corps destroyed by the Soviets in RESET By what - did the Soviets somehow ally with HG Wells Martians Invent tank armor that cannot be penetrated by any modern weapon This isnt two Corps taking it on the chin, one running for its life and another cut off, with most of it holding on in Poland while the 5th gets wiped out.

This is the heart of NATO wiped out and the survivors running for the hills. Basically they have the Soviets winning the war.

Sorry but if this is their so called history I will stick with V1 and V2.2.

[Olefin]

and I would like to actually give my honest real opinions of the back story, the war, the end of the war and the Soviets somehow being an unbeatable force but I would have to violate every forum guideline to give an honest real opinion

So instead

IT SUCKS

[Olefin]

Oh and no mention of Turkey, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc.. - i.e. were they all too busy doing something else for three years

And the French join in the fun, get nuked like crazy and dont retaliate Sure what the hell its not like they care about Paris and Northern France

[Olefin]

and ignoring the background and details and timeline can be done - but then it makes 4th edition COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY WORTHLESS for those who want to do a campaign who arent famliar with the V1 and V2.2

This is game writing 101 they are ignoring - its fine and dandy if you want to write a game that you play for a couple of nights and move on - but sucks big time if you want to do a campaign - and frankly this spits in the face of the long time players of this game

[Jason Weiser]

Ok, Olefin. I get it. We're all rather invested in this and have deep concerns...can you let someone else respond to your posts

[Olefin]

Ok, Olefin. I get it. We're all rather invested in this and have deep concerns...can you let someone else respond to your posts

Sorry - as I said to you - this just hurts

[swaghauler]

Olefin, man... deep breath in, deep breath out...

Jason, your closest to Olefin. You may need to scoot over there and check his blood pressure. I'm worried about him.

So what I'm hearing here is that the V4 timeline was written by Russian internet trolls.

[Olefin]

Olefin, man... deep breath in, deep breath out...

Jason, your closest to Olefin. You may need to scoot over there and check his blood pressure. I'm worried about him.

So what I'm hearing here is that the V4 timeline was written by Russian internet trolls.

Oh I havent yet begun to fight this abomination - and frankly I would agree with you on the Russian internet trolls - or Soviet fanboys

[Rockwolf66]

Oh I havent yet begun to fight this abomination - and frankly I would agree with you on the Russian internet trolls - or Soviet fanboys

From what I have read of the 4th ed timeline it was written by an Antifa fanboy who gets off to images of AOC.

In it the US President is a warmongering idiot. The Brits are somehow ineffective, and the Russians are superhuman.

Lets not get into how IRL the Russians and the Chinese have too much spilt blood between them to ever ally again.

All in all it's ham fisted leftist BS.

[Legbreaker]

So what I'm hearing here is that the V4 timeline was written by Russian internet trolls.

You're actually not that far off...

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I'm just going to pretend this never happened, and keep playing 1e Twilight 2000.

Maybe this spring I'll put together a T2k on Discord or Roll20.

But I won't be playing this.

[FPSlover]

So the UK sends everything basically to fight and doesnt even leave the Territorial units behind What the heck That makes basically no sense at all - there is no way the UK commits everything and basically leaves themsevles bare naked against the Soviets - and reading Reset this isnt just the 5th that gets destroyed - its basically most of NATO

Three Polish Corps, one UK, one US, one German, one Netherlands, one Belgian - ALL of them get overrun and are "running for the woods" What the heck - so basically the Soviets win the war and NATO is finished This in a war with the active participation on the NATO side of multiple former Warsaw Pact nations and France

So we are to believe the Soviets destroy EIGHT FULL CORPS

The only possible way London could justify having most of the TA deploy is if they recreated the Home Guard or something equally as mad to take over defense at home. Which again, is not their job, as it's the TA's job to conduct home defense. Even then, at least SOME (call it at least 25% and more probably 30%) of the TA would have to remain at home so as to properly train said units and war replacements.

As for the eight Corps', that's anywhere from 240,000 men to 400,000 men (if I knew the exact corps', I could probably track down the exact numbers). Those losses would be among the bloodiest battles in history, and that's just NATO casualties. If upwards of 400,000 NATO lost their lives, I'd hate to see Soviet casualties. They almost certainly are in much excess of NATO.

[Lurken]

So the UK sends everything basically to fight and doesnt even leave the Territorial units behind What the heck That makes basically no sense at all - there is no way the UK commits everything and basically leaves themsevles bare naked against the Soviets

From the Alpha, chapter "World at War", UK segment:
"EXCERPT"

They seem to have sent all Territorial Forces and relaunched the Home Guard to fill that role. And it seems that the last remnants of them charged into the Soviet MGs at Trafalgar Square.

[FPSlover]

From the Alpha, chapter "World at War", UK segment:
"EXCERPT"

They seem to have sent all Territorial Forces and relaunched the Home Guard to fill that role. And it seems that the last remnants of them charged into the Soviet MGs at Trafalgar Square.

Huh, so my guess was right. That is... damn odd. I can get some being sent, at least as volunteers or drafts to increase manpower during the late part of the war, but the entire thing And reviving the Home Guard (a group that, in all honesty, would have not proven too effective had the Germans ever invaded) to replace them Madness I say! Sheer bloody madness!