List of European Nuke Strikes?

[Mohoender]

I do appreciate the info -- but where did you get the Nordic Sourcebook, and has it been translated into English by anyone yet

Sob! I think no . I already asked trooper to translate it but he doesn't seem to be that motivated.

[Trooper]

Sob! I think no . I already asked trooper to translate it but he doesn't seem to be that motivated.

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If you are really intrested to get that sourcebook in english you should send email to FFE or you can send email to Mr Janne Kemppi who wrote that book. Kemppi is still active in finish scifi, RPG and manga scenes.

[General Pain]

"Copyright gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation, after which time the work is said to enter the public domain. Copyright applies to any expressible form of an idea or information that is substantive and discrete and fixed in a medium. Some jurisdictions also recognize "moral rights" of the creator of a work, such as the right to be credited for the work. Copyright is described under the umbrella term intellectual property along with patents and trademarks."

If you are really intrested to get that sourcebook in english you should send email to FFE or you can send email to Mr Janne Kemppi who wrote that book. Kemppi is still active in finish scifi, RPG and manga scenes.

which language is it written in

[pmulcahy11b]

Sob! I think no . I already asked trooper to translate it but he doesn't seem to be that motivated.

Could someone translate it into Engrish then

[Targan]

Could someone translate it into Engrish then

I had a feeling it was Finnish. Wait, we have a Finn or two registered here don't we

[Kemper Boyd]

Necroing this thread:

The Nordic sourcebook is actually in conflict with the finnish translation of the 2.2 main rulebook, which mentions that the Finnish oil refineries are untouched, and in fact no Nordic country was targeted by nuclear weapons.

Actually I think completely ignoring the Nordic sourcebook isn't a bad idea, since the quality of the text isn't too hot and it's frankly full of terribly bad ideas more suited for something like Macho Women With Guns.

[kato13]

Necroing this thread:

The Nordic sourcebook is actually in conflict with the finnish translation of the 2.2 main rulebook, which mentions that the Finnish oil refineries are untouched, and in fact no Nordic country was targeted by nuclear weapons.

Actually I think completely ignoring the Nordic sourcebook isn't a bad idea, since the quality of the text isn't too hot and it's frankly full of terribly bad ideas more suited for something like Macho Women With Guns.

No nukes hitting Nordic countries seems odd to me. I would expect at an absolute minimum Norwegian refineries would be hit. Unless they were already devastated fully by conventional weapons.

[Legbreaker]

Agreed. Refineries, power stations, mines and habour facilities all make extremely good and tempting targets. Although the refineries are fairly obvious, anywhere significant repairs could be carried out to shipping would have to be a prime target also. Norway, Denmark and Sweden are ideally located to support Nato naval strength and hinder Soviet naval efforts, not just in the Baltic and North Sea, but in the artic as well.

[Cdnwolf]

From Mediterranean Cruise...

The escalating nuclear exchanges struck Italy in late 1997.
Strikes on military targets turned into strikes on industrial targets
important to the war effort. After these came attacks on
economic targets of military importance. Italy had no oil deposits
of significance, but the Alps teem with hydroelectric power
generating plants, and these were deemed of sufficient military
importance to warrant destruction (several high-altitude bursts
did the job by electromagnetic pulse). Italy"s industrial north was
devastated, and the flood of refugees soon caused the civilian
government to collapse. A number of replacement governments
rose, lasted for a few months, and then fell.

Greece received its share of thermonuclear bombs in late
1997, and the government soon collapsed under the strain. A
military revolt. put a junta of generals in charge, who annexed
Macedonia but soon fell to fighting among themselves

The strike on Ankara destroyed the government, and attacks
on the ports and naval facilities on the Aegean and the Black
Sea crippled the Turkish military. The bomb intended for Istanbul
landed in the Sea of Marmara instead. The waves from the
blast inflicted serious damage on the port facilities in the city,
but left its buildings mostly intact.

With the strategic exchanges of late 1997, the Ploesti oil fields
of Romania were the subject of some nuclear strikes, but for
reasons not completely understood, the refineries and oil production
facilities were not completely destroyed and were beginning
to become operational again by mid-2000.

[John Farson]

Indeed, the Nordic sourcebook and the Finnish Twilight 2000 sourcebook do contradict each other with regards to the state of the Nordic countries. The Finnish sourcebook has this to say about Scandinavia:

Although no Scandinavian country suffered from strategic nuclear attacks, they suffered significantly in the 1997-98 Lapland war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. The cessation of world trade has made life ever harder. Most of Scandinavia's cities are independent or isolated, although the southern areas are mostly organized. In the northern areas which suffered from the Lapland war there are military cantonments, destroyed or anarchy -riven territory. (Although Scandinavia does have the only intact oil refineries in Europe besides Ploesti, such as the Neste refinery in Porvoo, they are so far away from crude oil production areas as to be useless. -editor.)

I think one of the reasons for this is the different time periods. The Nordic sourcebook was published in 1990 I believe, and it therefore has the v. 1.0 setting, where the USSR is the villain. The Finnish sourcebook is from 1993 as you know, and it provides its own interpretation of v. 2.2, such as Russia instead of the USSR being at war with NATO.

Personally, I agree with the others that the locations as mentioned in the Nordic sourcebook would have been targeted by the Russians.

When I've finished with posting the timeline of the Finnish sourcebook, I'll proceed to posting the state of the world as described in the Finnish sourcebook, as well as information about the state of the Nordic countries as described in the Nordic sourcebook.

[kato13]

strategic nuclear attacks

That leaves a whole lot of tactical and operational nuke wiggle room.

The V1 and V2 differences make a lot of sense as well.

[Legbreaker]

I believe that virtually no strategic missiles were fired at any target besides those during November 1997 (and again in early 98).
Any nuke fired outside these two periods is almost certainly tactical in nature.

This is not to say every nuke during these periods could be termed strategic though. The ground war continued to rage and as had been the case for several months, tactical nukes were still being used.

It is possible that tactical nukes could have been used throughout the war, from the first shot in China right up to summer 2000. They are unlikely to have been all that common in the latter stages though.

[Kemper Boyd]

Personally, I agree with the others that the locations as mentioned in the Nordic sourcebook would have been targeted by the Russians.

I would disagree, because for the reason mentioned in the 2.2, the finnish petrochemical industry would be mostly useless and of no strategic importance. In a strategic exchange the refineries could be plastered with nuclear weapons, but it's more unlikely to happen in the context of the limited exchange that took place in the 2.2 timeline.

The Nordic countries had ceased to have any strategic importance whatsoever after the NATO-Russia northern front stalled and the naval conflict was mostly over with.

[Legbreaker]

No strategic importance You are joking right

Even without oil coming from Norway's north sea oil rigs, an undamaged refinery is of vital importance. It only takes one shipment of oil from somewhere else and suddenly "boom" you've got yourself a mobile division or two.

Note that it wouldn't require an ICBM to do the job either. A sub or even Fast Attack Craft should be able to deliver the package.

[Targan]

I have to agree. Given some of the other industrial infrastructure that was nuked and seemed to be of lesser strategic value, I'd assume pretty much all of Scandinavia's petrochemical processing infrastructure would have been targeted either by conventional or nuclear strikes.