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**kato13** · 09-14-2008, 11:57 AM

I did not adjust the maximum file settings for attachments so Mohoender was forced to put the data in the post above. I have included the attachment in this post.

For future reference the maximum size for images is 100k and 800x600. Text files (xls, doc, pdf and such) is 500k. If this is abused I may reduce it, but I think these will be ok.

PS Nice work.

PPS Look at that i Hit my 4 min service goal again

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**Mohoender** · 09-14-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by kato13

I will change the max attachment size to 500k I guess.

I will attach the document in 5 min or so.

I'll apreciate it

and post it again then (100k is enough so)

**kato13** · 09-14-2008, 12:21 PM

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thefusilier 09-14-2008, 12:08 PM Your armour strengths seem a little low for what I expected. As they didn't get involved in any real serious combat, I'd figure them to be much stronger. Your thoughts

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**Mohoender** · 09-14-2008, 12:38 PM

A better post then

Thanks Kato

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**Mohoender** · 09-14-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by kato13

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thefusilier 09-14-2008, 12:08 PM Your armour strengths seem a little low for what I expected. As they didn't get involved in any real serious combat, I'd figure them to be much stronger. Your thoughts

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I agree but I stick to the cannon for that one (so the french to get a Napoleon IV). Actually, you could double them and may be replace the leopard 1 (belgium) by AMX-30 brenus (or AMX-30B2) phased out of french regular units

**kato13** · 09-16-2008, 01:43 AM

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Brit 09-16-2008, 01:10 AM I've just been off for a couple of weeks so if I missed it... apologies... but what's a 'Napoleon IV' I figure it's a 'new' French MBT but any details welcome. Thanks.

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**Rainbow Six** · 09-16-2008, 11:43 AM

This is really good stuff, Mohoender..thanks for posting...

Just one question springs to mind...what sort of units would you forsee making up the French force in Quebec

As to how Marseille survived, how about the missile intended for there missed its target by some distance...or malunctioned en route (and hit somewhere else hundreds of kilometres away!)

**Mohoender** · 09-16-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Rainbow Six

This is really good stuff, Mohoender..thanks for posting...

Just one question springs to mind...what sort of units would you forsee making up the French force in Quebec

As to how Marseille survived, how about the missile intended for there missed its target by some distance...or malunctioned en route (and hit somewhere else hundreds of kilometres away!)

The French force in Quebec would more or less be, I think, a kind of volunteer force with troops drawn essentialy from other units. A kind of Rag Tag unit, almost mercenary.

About Marseille, that's why I came up with Toulon being blown up. Marseille is the biggest oil terminal on the French Mediterranean Sea Coast. I can see more than one reason for that miss.

One solution comes from the fact that Toulon is only 30 miles away from Marseille (less in strait line). I can easily imagine that city being targeted in place of Marseille (the situation is confused). Even more so as it is the place where the french mediterranean fleet is located.

Another solution might come from the French Air Force. If the attack on Marseille was made by plane that one can be intercepted. Then it might be destroyed or drop the bomb on Toulon in order to help its escape.

I like these ideas but you can make it a simple malfunction if you prefer (I just find that a malfunction on Marseille and Quebec is way too much luck on the French side).

Some other points, then:
- A major refinery is located at Lyon and that one might not have been targeted as well.
- The French are getting oil from the region east of Paris and that survived too (no point of targetting it as the area is too broad).
- Paris escape as it has no strategic target outside the government, and you don't care about destroying a neutral government when you already have much work in progress.
- The french might retain some space capability as Kourou (French Guyana) survived and is still held. Ariane 5 wouldn't be an issue anymore but Ariane 4 might still be in use for satellite launches.

**Rainbow Six** · 09-16-2008, 02:56 PM

Thinking some more about Soviet nuclear strikes on France..

Firstly, I confess that I have no clue what canon says about France specifically...I do recall that there is mention of non belligerent nations being attacked (wasn't there specific mention of Venezuela)

However, France would be the only non belligerent nation that would have the ability to rspond in kind if attacked with nuclear weapons.

What I'm suggesting, therefore, is whether it would be likely that the Soviets would not attack France, in the knowledge that a direct attack would invite French nuclear retaliation and possibly French entry in to the War on the side of NATO Which would mean that not only would Marseille survive unscathed, but so would Toulon and the other places mentioned

Alternatively, if you want to stick with France being attacked, perhaps Marseille survives as a result of negotiation between the French and the Soviets to stop attacking each other before Marseille is targetted

Either way, I agree with Paris not being attacked. Quite apart from anything else, belligerent nations might find it useful to have a major neutral capital intact should they ever want to sit down and negotiate an end to the War.

Like your thoughts on the French force in Quebec...would obviously make it much easier for the French Government to plausibly deny interfering in Canadian domestic issues if only volunteer formations are present...same prinicple as the USA Eagle Squadrons in the 1940 Royal Air Force or the Flying Tigers in China.

Interesting points on France...surely a much mentioned but rarely studied aspect of T2K...

**kato13** · 09-16-2008, 03:28 PM

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Mohoender 09-16-2008, 12:19 PM

I've just been off for a couple of weeks so if I missed it... apologies... but what's a 'Napoleon IV' I figure it's a 'new' French MBT but any details welcome. Thanks.

Sorry, it's just one thing which is due to the world situation in twilight. If the French get to strong (with the union corse being quite powerful) they will be capable of conquering Europe again with a new emperor in Paris.

As I understood it from the cannon, France still has a fair population to draw on, if you give them too much tanks they'll stop at moscow again. Don't forget that it still has an air force and some avgas. Therefore, the figure are low but don't make them too big. Bonaparte's familly is still around

Actually I made a mistake and wanted to write that they would not get one again

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**Mohoender** · 09-17-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Rainbow Six

Thinking some more about Soviet nuclear strikes on France..

Firstly, I confess that I have no clue what canon says about France specifically...I do recall that there is mention of non belligerent nations being attacked (wasn't there specific mention of Venezuela)

However, France would be the only non belligerent nation that would have the ability to rspond in kind if attacked with nuclear weapons.

The canon didn't say much in fact and V2.0 is more than poor.

Actually, I don't think that the nukes hiting Frnace would come from Russia. Instead, I would see more of an attack from NATO. First, France betrayed them somehow. Second, when things go sour they might want to prevent France from supplying the Warsaw Pact. Third, that might explain why the attack on Marseille missed or was never carried out. Fourth, it gives one more reason for France to invade NATO Territory in Germany and Netherlands.

Nuking of Anvers and Brussel would certainly be from the Warsaw Pact, however.

With this scenario, French nuclear retaliation is unlikely but they might decide to sink NATO shipping in the Mediterranean and disrupt it in the Atlantic. They might well meet with success and if they don't I can't understand how they can maintain several troops abroad. Then, they will certainly use tactical nuclear devices when pushing to the Rhine (Pluton missiles and air dropped).

About Venezuela there is nothing, but Hugo Chavez failed with a coup attempt in 1991 (IRL). That would certainly be successful in the case of Twilight and you can imagine Venezuela becoming a member of the Warsaw Pact. Moreover, if you follow the V1.0, Nicaragua is still sandinista and might also think about joining with Warsaw Pact. That could explain why Mexico was capable of invading US as it would get help from other countries. A Venezuelian attack on Colombia is possible too as would be a Nicaraguian drive to the Panama Canal (In my game these happen only after U.S. troops entered Mexico but both attacks fail).

About Mexico, I put it the other way around with Americans fleeing into Mexico and U.S. troops crossing the Rio Grande to protect them. Really, I don't see why Mexicans (lightly touched by the nukes in the Tampico region) would flee to a country that was heavily bombed (U.S.). That is, at best, a stupid move

In the South America, I can see only one country remaining organized and that is Chile. Bolivia might attack Chile in the north but that would be crushed and Bolivia would get into anarchy or become insular. Ecuador and Paraguay would fell to the economic turmoil. Peru is mostly in anarchy because of Sendoro Luminoso. Uruguay would be crushed during the War between Argentina and Brazil. Drug cartels and guerilla will do most of the damage, then (as per canon).

**kato13** · 09-17-2008, 02:26 AM

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thefusilier 09-17-2008, 02:21 AM Well don't count them out as weak. In the GDW game 2300AD (which is based on the Twilight2000 war) the Third French Empire is a dominant group. Myself and I few others here regard this as canon material. Even if you don't it makes sense.

They were spared a heavy nuclear attack and its military is intact. They have forces controlling mid east oil and the means to transport it. IMO, France is incredibly strong and influential.

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Targan 09-17-2008, 02:39 AM

Myself and I few others here regard this as canon material.

I am one of those people. In case you or anyone else is interested I actually have a document containing the rules the GDW developers used in their "Great Game" to play through the 300 years after the Twilight War and determine the back history for Traveller:2300.

**kato13** · 09-17-2008, 05:25 AM

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thefusilier 09-17-2008, 05:19 AM Does it give info on the Saudi Wars (or similarly named), Texas war of independance, and other post-war conflicts If so, very interested.

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