4th Economics 101

[ArmySGT.]

No, this is another area where the text is confusing. Let me rephrase things to make it clearer. Just like explosives have an RE value where C4 is 1, so too does crop yield have a Yield Effectiveness (YE) value where wheat is 1. Replace crop multiplier with YE and the calculations are the same. 1 of wheat = 0.5 of corn = 100 of cocaine.

Hmmm ok..... What do you make of the multiplier 1/12 for milk or 1/20 for poultry. Where does this fit in

[mmartin798]

Hmmm ok..... What do you make of the multiplier 1/12 for milk or 1/20 for poultry. Where does this fit in

Since they are roughly linear to the hectare yield, I think it was an attempt to simplify calculations that just adds to the noise. It is never used in any of the examples.

I think I figured out what the multiplier is in the livestock. It is kind of stupid. It lets you express the land the livestock uses to graze in terms of wheat. It is just way too confusing to use when we can calculate it from the other numbers easier.

[ArmySGT.]

Homestead #2
Tech D (Early Electric)
10 persons. 15-64=66% or 6.6 rounding up to 7 adults . Labor pool = 2/3 of 7= 4.62 rounding up to 5.

Tech level D Agriculture 11-25%, Mining / manufacturing/construction 25%, Distribution=20%, Other services 32%
5*0.25= 1.25, 5*0.20= 1, 5*0.32= 1.6
Five adults, One Farmer, One maker, One Trader, 2 Other.

Consume = 300kg wheat equivalents x 10 persons = 3000Kg

A Tech level D farmer produces 1300kg per hectare at 40 hours of work per hectare and can harvest 50 hectares per labor year (2000 labor hours).
3000kg/1300kg= 2.30 hectares of wheat produced for a labor hours of 92 hours.

The homestead requires 50Kg of meat and 150L of milk per person to adequately feed them.

50Kg*10= 500kg of meat and 1500L of milk.

The Homestead raises hogs for meats like hams and bacon. Hogs require 6kg of corn for each kilogram of pork at harvest. 6*500= 3000 kilos of corn.. only 10% of the herd can be harvested to keep the stock healthy though. 6*500 =3000/2*1300 = 1.2 hectares or 40*1.2= 48 labor hours * 10 (10% is consumed) 480 labor hours keeping hogs for meat.
2.3 hectares wheat and 1.2 hectares corn. 2.3+1.2= 3.5 hectares * 40 hours per hectare. 140 labor hours plus 480 hours herding hogs for 620 labor hours per year farming the absolute minimum.

[ArmySGT.]

Extraction.... the Tech D homestead is producing natural gas.....

A natural gas well is tapped to produce fuel for the tractor, heating the home and out buildings and cooking meals. The gas well equipment, pumps, vacuums, refining, and pressure bottling is occupies one laborer (1 (laborer) x 5 (output) x 500 (material conversion factor)= 2500 and occupies 125,000M2 ((2500x100)/0.5=125000) This produces 2500kg of gas or 2500*35.3= 8825 cubic meters of natural gas.

8825 cubic meters of gas for one labor year.

To build the well took 1 (laborer)*6 (output) = 6 labor years (6*2000=12,000hrs) to get started and 1(laborer)*3(input)= 3 labor years (3*2000=6000 hours) annually in upkeep.

[mmartin798]

Homestead #2
Tech D (Early Electric)
10 persons. 15-64=66% or 6.6 rounding up to 7 adults . Labor pool = 2/3 of 7= 4.62 rounding up to 5.

Tech level D Agriculture 11-25%, Mining / manufacturing/construction 25%, Distribution=20%, Other services 32%
5*0.25= 1.25, 5*0.20= 1, 5*0.32= 1.6
Five adults, One Farmer, One maker, One Trader, 2 Other.

Consume = 300kg wheat equivalents x 10 persons = 3000Kg

A Tech level D farmer produces 1300kg per hectare at 40 hours of work per hectare and can harvest 50 hectares per labor year (2000 labor hours).
3000kg/1300kg= 2.30 hectares of wheat produced for a labor hours of 92 hours.

The homestead requires 50Kg of meat and 150L of milk per person to adequately feed them.

50Kg*10= 500kg of meat and 1500L of milk.

The Homestead raises hogs for meats like hams and bacon. Hogs require 6kg of corn for each kilogram of pork at harvest. 6*500= 3000 kilos of corn.. only 10% of the herd can be harvested to keep the stock healthy though. 6*500 =3000/2*1300 = 1.2 hectares or 40*1.2= 48 labor hours * 10 (10% is consumed) 480 labor hours keeping hogs for meat.
2.3 hectares wheat and 1.2 hectares corn. 2.3+1.2= 3.5 hectares * 40 hours per hectare. 140 labor hours plus 480 hours herding hogs for 620 labor hours per year farming the absolute minimum.

Your pork section is off. You are harvesting 500Kg of pork and leave an additional 4500Kg of pork alive. You need to feed them all and have land for them. I come up with 6*500*10=30000Kg of corn. That comes to 11.5 hectares, 462 man-hours. The land to graze the pork is 10*500/50 = 100 hectare, using 4000 man-hours. So the total land usage for just the pork is 111.5 hectare and requires 4462 man-hours a year. You need three people.

[ArmySGT.]

Your pork section is off. You are harvesting 500Kg of pork and leave an additional 4500Kg of pork alive. You need to feed them all and have land for them. I come up with 6*500*10=30000Kg of corn. That comes to 11.5 hectares, 462 man-hours. The land to graze the pork is 10*500/50 = 100 hectare, using 4000 man-hours. So the total land usage for just the pork is 111.5 hectare and requires 4462 man-hours a year. You need three people.

500kg/0.10=5000kg of pork on the hoof to cull 10% yearly.

5000kg*6Kg of corn = 30000Kg of corn. Animal feed.

30000/1300=23.07 /2 = 11.5 hectares of corn. 11.5 * 40 = 460 labor hours.

10*500Kg/50kg per hectare = 100 hectares for the herd. 100 hectares x 40 (TL D) = 4000 labor hours. 4000 labor hours for herding + 460 hours growing grain requires 4460 labor hours to raise hogs. 4460/2000= 2.23 farmers rounding up to three.

[ArmySGT.]

So what if I change it to turkeys and geese Meat, feathers, grease.

10*50kg per person... 500kg of meat.

2.5*500 = 1250 kg grain to feed *10 (only 10% of the flock is consumed)= 12500kg of corn consumed as animal feed. 12500/1300= 9.6 hectares /2 = 4.8 hectares cultivated as corn for animal feed. 4.8*40 (hectares * TL D labor hours) = 192 labor hours.

10*500/115=43.8 hectares of range land. 43.8*40 (hectares*TL D hours)=1739 labor hours

192+1739 = 1931 labor hours for 500 kg of poultry.

[gbmaz]

I think it is awesome that this game inspires an in depth discussion of the economics system rather than a discussion along the lines of "The HP-35 is a stupid pistol, everyone knows the SOCOM .45 is the only pistol a real man would use. I totally kicked ass with it in Black Ops 3...."

[kalos72]

WOW! I just bought the 4thE....oh boy I am in trouble.

This much detail, way too cool. Now I have to rebuild all of east Texas with this. :P

[mmartin798]

So what if I change it to turkeys and geese Meat, feathers, grease.

10*50kg per person... 500kg of meat.

2.5*500 = 1250 kg grain to feed *10 (only 10% of the flock is consumed)= 12500kg of corn consumed as animal feed. 12500/1300= 9.6 hectares /2 = 4.8 hectares cultivated as corn for animal feed. 4.8*40 (hectares * TL D labor hours) = 192 labor hours.

10*500/115=43.8 hectares of range land. 43.8*40 (hectares*TL D hours)=1739 labor hours

192+1739 = 1931 labor hours for 500 kg of poultry.

This matches my calculations. Less work, less land, birds win for the small land squatter. Now on to the extraction part of my spreadsheet......

[mmartin798]

Sgt, just did a quick experiment for you. You could raise beef and poultry to give your ranch some variety. The numbers are not too bad. (see attached)

[ArmySGT.]

This matches my calculations. Less work, less land, birds win for the small land squatter. Now on to the extraction part of my spreadsheet......

Have you done anything with mixing up the sources of meat

Pigs and birds, Cows and birds

[mmartin798]

Love it when great minds think alike....

Darn it, the calculations were not copied down. Here is the revised data. Not quite as pretty.

[mmartin798]

Took the ranch one step further and diversified the vegetables for the people and added some luxury items that can be used for fun and trade.

[ArmySGT.]

Took the ranch one step further and diversified the vegetables for the people and added some luxury items that can be used for fun and trade.

That is pretty awesome! Are you going to autosum the tables Let the spreadsheet take care of the tallies