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Originally posted by Abbott Shaull
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GDW was in many ways a mom & pop operation -- they were based out of a converted town house that was primarily given over to the GDW operation, but they often slept and ate where they worked. I can see a few mistakes slipping through. They also outsourced a lot of work, and I can see them looking at all the stuff from the outsourcers with blurred eyes dreading what mistakes they might have made. Just like our web sites have mistakes and I'm sure we all get email telling us about them, you just do your best and hope things are as accurate as possible before you roll them out, and fix them when they're not. GDW didn't have the advantage of the web and email.I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
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pmulcahy11b is right. I didn't even get the web until 1998."There is only one tactical principal which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."
--General George S. Patton, Jr.Comment
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Definitely NOT trying to beat up on GDW! Without them I wouldn't have found this awesome game and I might still be playing D&D! :P"Oh yes, I WOOT!"
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Yeah after thinking about it today....there was no such thing as cut and paste like we have today when much of this material was published. Sometimes we tend to forget how much civilization has advance since 1984 when most of this material had been published originally. No I can see some one having several sheet of paper hold various OOBs, being called away and then trying to find their location in their work, finding what they thought was right, copy it and then briefly get called away again and then going back to the correct paper work. If they were like many paper offices, they weren't very organized. I can tell you story of professor whose office looks as if it still in the 1970s-80s with the exception of the computer he works on and mini/dorm fridge he has under his desk where he would sit if he didn't have it being used to collect large piles of papers....
Remember when computers were suppose to turn us into paperless society. We are getting their but still a long ways off.Comment
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When I visited them in January of 1990, that's one thing I saw immediately -- several tables and desks with papers and maps all over them. It probably didn't help that a visitor showed out of the blue unannounced, but they were very nice about showing me around and giving me a quick peek (not too much) of what they were working on, and asking me questions about what its like to be a soldier, stuff about Korea (unfortunately, I could only tell them unclassified stuff), and what's it's like to shoot things like automatic weapons and grenade launchers and rocket launchers. I got the impression that they were considering doing something about Korea, and I even gave them a possible sourcebook title: Morning Calm (based on the full name of Korea in Hangul: Land of the Morning Calm). I hope I helped.Originally posted by Abbott Shaull View PostI'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
Entirely too much T2K stuff here: www.pmulcahy.comComment
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Cool you actually when to their shop...Way Cool.
Yeah that is the one of the tricky thing even today.
How much information is too much information. LOL. You know Paul that one of those things I never thought much about either with what would be considered Classified and what wasn't. Especially for troops such as you that had served in Korea and Germany. Being only based at Fort Bragg not one of those things I had given much thought. Then again I am sure with the internet now, most of the beans have been spilled out of the can...Comment
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Yeah Korea and Panama and Africa were big holes they had left out...Comment
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"There is only one tactical principal which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."
--General George S. Patton, Jr.Comment
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We've got a skeleton of information. Will take some work but I'm sure we can put some meat on dem bones!If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
Mors ante pudoremComment
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ARGH!
Why'd I have to find this thread again and upset all my thoughts of the past couple of months!
UN/not UN. Small/large Australian presence! It's all getting too hard!
If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
Mors ante pudoremComment
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It's not hard, Leg, if you want lots of Aussies in Korea because you think it'd make a hell of a game, happy days, and if the Aussies are there the Kiwis have to turn out to keep their simpler brethren in check lest the Aussies all die searching for a barby or carry the offensive to the gates of the Kremlin!Comment
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What Simonmark6 said. You probably know the Aussie Army better than most of us Leg and know how many troops they would be able to send overseas what you put forward in the Australia thread a couple of weeks ago seems quite plausible to me. I guess the only question would be whether the logistics were in place for the 9th Brigade to be able to relieve the 3rd Brigade...I suppose it depends on when the Indonesians make their move.
Originally posted by Legbreaker View PostThere's bound to be some indications of Indonesia's intentions beforehand, so we should be able to justify pushing the reserve call up back about 6 months. Perhaps the official explanation, at least the one given to Indonesia anyway, was that it was a response to Australia's UN obligations in Korea, or to help out in Cyprus letting the British got to war in Europe. A bit thin, but aren't most political statements
The timeline is important here too. 3rd Brigade probably goes over to Korea first and the reserves are called up at the same time to begin training. Recruiting efforts kick into overdrive and maybe conscription sugar coated as a way of reducing unemployment, kick starting the economy or something like that.
Officially the reserves are only supposed to serve inside Australia as a defence only force, somewhat like the WWII militia were supposed to, however once Indonesia makes it's move, 1st (less 1 Armoured Regiment aka Koalas - protected species not allowed outside Australia
) and 7th Brigades are sent into action, 9th Brigade is sent to relieve 3rd in Korea who are brought back home for predeployment training and reaclimatisation for PNG and to give commanders an airborne option (3 Para battalion).
8th, 11th and 13th Brigades are deployed to the north of the country while 4th and 5th Brigades (plus the Koalas) are kept as "strategic reserve" but sent into disaster relief duties when the nukes hit.
3rd Brigade may not make it to PNG but could be redirected as a "fire brigade" at home.Author of the unofficial and strictly non canon Alternative Survivor’s Guide to the United KingdomComment
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Well, that's half the problem. A year or so back I was all about minimal Australian presence in Korea, yet lately I've gone the other way. Both approaches seem to have equally valid logic behind them.
Hmm, Might work and publish both options...If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.
Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"
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More choice is always better: I prefer a shopping list to mix and match my scenarios rather than a one size fits all prescription. I would definitely like to see both alternatives.Comment
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WHAT!Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
You mean you've changed your ideas! And I thought you were simply stuck forever in your fossilized state of mind...
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