Yeah the things that Commanders would come up with to keep troops busy...
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I remember one Team Spirit Ex in Korea the Capt had me washing rocks and putting them on a wood boardwalk. Mud off the walk was 6" deep. I made sure every time someone would ask who's bright idea it was, I told them EXACTLY who. "That would be Capt McMannis' bright idea, SgtMaj."Just because I'm on the side of angels doesn't mean I am one.
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Originally posted by weswood View PostI remember one Team Spirit Ex in Korea the Capt had me washing rocks and putting them on a wood boardwalk. Mud off the walk was 6" deep. I made sure every time someone would ask who's bright idea it was, I told them EXACTLY who. "That would be Capt McMannis' bright idea, SgtMaj."
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Originally posted by weswood View PostI was a smart Lcpl, I kept my head down for that one
It goes something along the lines, wipe your nose son, suck it up, and drive on...lol
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One of the best conversations I ever overheard was a Lieutenant complaining to the Commander about something the Sergeant Major said to him. The Commander said:
"You mean that the Sergeant Major gave you a suggestion and you didn't even consider it!" And then the Commander gave the Lieutenant a "dumbshit Lieutenant" sort of laugh...I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
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Originally posted by pmulcahy11b View PostOne of the best conversations I ever overheard was a Lieutenant complaining to the Commander about something the Sergeant Major said to him. The Commander said:
"You mean that the Sergeant Major gave you a suggestion and you didn't even consider it!" And then the Commander gave the Lieutenant a "dumbshit Lieutenant" sort of laugh...
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There is a story that comes out of Armor Officer Basic, that dates back to when ole George Patton was organizing the OCS school at Fort Know prior to WWII...
The story goes that Patton gathered the first group of candiates together and said "Gentlemen! This is your first lesson in how to be an officer! I want this flag pole erected before retreat!"
He then stood back and listened to the converstations that followed. Various plans to use tripods or manpower to raise the pole, how deep to dig the foundation, when to mount the hardware, and so on...
GSP finally called the group to attention and said "Gentlemen, I have listened to your various ideas and you have come up with some intresting ideas. But you are in training to become officers. There is only one correct answer to the question of getting this flag pole erected in time for retreat." George then turned to a NCO who was standing nearby. "Sergeant, organize a detail and have this flag pole erected in time for retreat!"
There are many who concentrate on the infamous slapping incidents, on GSP's outbursts with the press, there are even some you claim that he was promoted to fast and to high a position. But no soldier who ever served in the Third Army under him, ever had anything but the highest of praise for him as a fighter, and above all else as an officer and as a leader.The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by dragoon500ly View PostThere is a story that comes out of Armor Officer Basic, that dates back to when ole George Patton was organizing the OCS school at Fort Know prior to WWII...
The story goes that Patton gathered the first group of candiates together and said "Gentlemen! This is your first lesson in how to be an officer! I want this flag pole erected before retreat!"
He then stood back and listened to the converstations that followed. Various plans to use tripods or manpower to raise the pole, how deep to dig the foundation, when to mount the hardware, and so on...
GSP finally called the group to attention and said "Gentlemen, I have listened to your various ideas and you have come up with some intresting ideas. But you are in training to become officers. There is only one correct answer to the question of getting this flag pole erected in time for retreat." George then turned to a NCO who was standing nearby. "Sergeant, organize a detail and have this flag pole erected in time for retreat!"
There are many who concentrate on the infamous slapping incidents, on GSP's outbursts with the press, there are even some you claim that he was promoted to fast and to high a position. But no soldier who ever served in the Third Army under him, ever had anything but the highest of praise for him as a fighter, and above all else as an officer and as a leader.
GSP was a great leader and believed in leading from the front, not some HQ behind the line. Most Generals have done something to the extent of his outburst with the press or worst. Lot of the time, it all depends how well HQ can suppress the information.
Just like the recent General who was dismissed from Afghanistan several months ago. I am pretty sure all Generals and HQs have their dirty little secret about how they feel about their orders and who is leading them.
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Ever wondered on how a Black Jack Pershing, a George Patton, or a Erwin Rommel would have fit into today's military
Would strategic mistakes like not finishing Desert Storm by seizing Basrah, not completing the fighting in Afghanistan before invading Iraq, or not blocking in Ossoma prior to cleaning out Bora-Bora have been allowed by any of these generals
Or even better...would GSP have told Bush/Obama were to shove their stars and ripped them both new orifices after he had retiredThe reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by dragoon500ly View PostEver wondered on how a Black Jack Pershing, a George Patton, or a Erwin Rommel would have fit into today's military
Would strategic mistakes like not finishing Desert Storm by seizing Basrah, not completing the fighting in Afghanistan before invading Iraq, or not blocking in Ossoma prior to cleaning out Bora-Bora have been allowed by any of these generals
Or even better...would GSP have told Bush/Obama were to shove their stars and ripped them both new orifices after he had retired
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Way way back in the day on AHWI newgroup, there was talk on various ways that the end of part two of the great european civil war could end with the "good" germans doing ok (and Rommel living) and the bad ones getting what they deserved. But the on topic bit if it was that it also posted that the Soviet Union viewed VE day as a operational stand down for maintenance and promptly decided to see if Paris was as nice as every one says. The real debate was who would be better: Patton or Rommel, since this time they both would be drawing from the same logistical tail and sharing the same air cover.
A later version of the thread joked that the two of them running in the same tank country would be called the "Great Tank Race." My money is on Rommel.Member of the Bofors fan club! The M1911 of automatic cannon.
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Originally posted by Panther Al View PostWay way back in the day on AHWI newgroup, there was talk on various ways that the end of part two of the great european civil war could end with the "good" germans doing ok (and Rommel living) and the bad ones getting what they deserved. But the on topic bit if it was that it also posted that the Soviet Union viewed VE day as a operational stand down for maintenance and promptly decided to see if Paris was as nice as every one says. The real debate was who would be better: Patton or Rommel, since this time they both would be drawing from the same logistical tail and sharing the same air cover.
A later version of the thread joked that the two of them running in the same tank country would be called the "Great Tank Race." My money is on Rommel.
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Due to my, admittedly rather odd, upbringing I always found myself in the middle on Monty. Americans think that he was horrid, yet the English thinks that he was outstanding. To be honest, with the exception of operation "what the hell was I thinking-garden" he, once he went on the offensive, did rather well. But that is the catch- once he went on the offensive. He had the tendency to be the ACW General (I know who it is but for the life of me I can't get the name right - sigh) that was asked by Abe "if you are not using the army, could I borrow it" I feel that whilst he did not win the war for England, he did build the army that did so- under lower but much better -fighting- leadership.Member of the Bofors fan club! The M1911 of automatic cannon.
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