Twilight 2013 - How are you going to use it?

[Haven]

Just wondering for future discussions....

Seems like all of the questions around here are centered around Twilight v1 or v2 and the canon timeline and wondered if anyone was planning on making the move


I am probably going to be using the rules from Twilight 2013 and use my own timeline (which is a previous post around here)
But i would consider it basically option one v3 rules and timeline.



So wondered what y'all thought - even though most of the discussion for v3 is understandably on the 93 Studio Forums.

[kato13]

I put other. For the most part I am taking a wait and see attitude. Once I see reviews from people I trust (the people here) I will make my decision on purchasing the game. Given I am a child of the cold war I cannot imagine using the T2013 timeline over the V1 one, so at best I might use some of the rules and equipment stats.

Oh I changed the poll creation time to 10 min to prevent the problem you had before. Also deleted the duplicate thread.

[Haven]

I personally never really liked the Twilight v2.2 autofire/damage rules and it always kept me from fully adopting and embracing the rules.

I was always constantly dabbling in house rules and other rules systems but would always come back to Twilight rules as a 'standard'....


but its always the post-apoc military rpg/story that always kept me interested.

Now... i've come up with my own modified present day timeline and love the Twilight 2013 rules.

So... i am pumped!


NOTE: I wouldn't judge the Twilight 2013 time line on the little that has been released. I still don't like France being the country that launches the first nuke... but it for me where you wind up with the time line is the part that counts and you wind up with a really cool place for the PCs to interact with.
(kinda like forgiving a movie you like for being slightly less than realistic for the sake of the movie as a whole)

[kato13]

My system is a really odd custom mix of the following

V1 vehicle rules and timeline
CORPS/Timelords 75% of my Character attributes and task resolution.
V2 half of the Character generation system, some disease, rads,fatigue

I have pulled and customized individual rules from more than 20 different games so if there is good stuff in 2013 I am sure I will use some.

[Snake Eyes]

Max is currently running a bi-weekly 2013 campaign that I play in. If I ever run one myself it will be with the 2013 rule set and I'll modify the timeline and/or setting modified to suit my needs.

[Grimace]

I'll likely end up not buying it. The timeline doesn't interest me at all and some of the parts of rules that I've viewed seem needlessly complicated. I know they've created it with scalable rules so that you can do various levels of complexity, but some of the non-combat related rules seemed quite set and complicated. Dare I say, needlessly complex.

Now, since I've not completely, absolutely decided against it, if I hear enough good vibes from enough people, I may change my opinion. I know there are people who are just ga-ga over it, and that's great for them, but for me it'll take a heck of a lot more persuading.

[Mohoender]

I bought it yesterday and roughly read it (It's almost christmas, and I was being curious).

I found that they did a good job with the rules but I'm accustom to the old ones and will certainly not use them.

I found them very poor when it comes to equipments and even more so when it come to illiustration (a pity).

I disagree with the timeline but I might find some more inspiration from it. It's not only because I'm french but simply because I don't see France launching nukes at Belarus (that would be suicide and even more stupid to do it from the Baltic Sea). Then, lets suppose that it happens. I think that it will result in full scale revolution with execution of the president and government by the people . France sided against the war in Iraq and there is good reason for this among its population. Even with the death of 10000, I can't see the french people supporting a nuclear attack. However, they could back a conventional attack that would be carried out with the Russians (happy about getting Belarus back) and they would certainly accept the creation of concentration camps holding east europeans refugees . There are some fun ideas into this timeline, nevertheless, but as someone told me (about mine), it goes too fast and the world would need a little more time for military build up. I personnaly think that the Russians are currently improving but they see them as too interventionist (Ukraine is too big for them). In the meantime, US is too weak and we are far from a European defence.

As a result, I won't do much with this game but I was happy to read a full version

[Marc]

For the moment, I feel quite satisfied with my old v2.2 rulebook and the other stuff of the classical Twilight that I've managed to get (and, for the most part, I've still not used it) . The compatibility of v2.2 with Traveller: The New Era is an important feature, for me, and I consider the rules (with limited use of house-rules) are good enough. Perhaps I would buy it following the hunter/collector instinct that every GM has inside. But, without knowing the final product, a new timeline (I've read excellent and various timelines in this same forum) and a new set of rules to learn (and to communicate to my players) don't motivate me to make the expense. Of course, the hunter/collector instinct can make me change my opinion tomorrow...

[Raellus]

Unless it gets totally hammered by the critics and, more importantly, you guys, I will propably pick up a copy at some point down the road. Right now, my disposable outcome is going towards Christmas gifts for the fam. I'd feel like a bastard, buying more stuff for myself!

If the scenario that was posted on the old RPGHost board a while back is the one the T2013 people stayed with, I definitely won't be using it. I am open to using the rules, though. If they're good, why not If I do though, I will probably stick to the old v1.0 timeline, my first love. I may also try to come up with my own revised present day armaggedon scenario or apply the rules to a Merc-style campaign.

[LAW0306]

Please explain to me how the Us is too weak This is a serious question and would love to see your points.

[Mohoender]

From what I read (but as I said I read it lightly) I found the US position too passive at the political level (that might be true for every country in the timeline). It seems only concerned with its agenda, not taking into account what happens around it (not even the threat on its agenda).

France get 10000 killed and I haven't read a word on a US reaction about it (or anyone else by the way). I'm not thinking especially of a military action, but you'll have a political one: at the local level, at the European level, at the US level and at the international level (UN). The investigation seems to be carried out by France alone while I'll view the pressure on Belarus to come from all sides (Russia and China included).

Moreover, they definitely split Europe and US and I don't see this as realistic. Again from my understanding it seems that Europe is talking through NATO (unlikely as US remain the main contributor).

Russia attack Ukraine and again US doesn't move (Ok about Georgia but Ukraine is a different matter). In my timeline, US doesn't move either but Ukraine was the prime aggressor.

In south America, US doesn't seem to really stand with Colombia, it's most important current ally in the Region.

Finally, there are no true military build up before the war. I made that same mistake (considering its one) but I correct it since one of you made the point (and that is a very good point I think).

However, this opinion was made from a quick reading so I might be mistaken. That's the feeling I'm getting. I'll be reading it again when I get some time so.

[LAW0306]

yea this production is amature at its best too many points too cut it up with...

[kcdusk]

I'd be interested to get it from the rules point of view. To me, thats by far the most important thing. And it sounds like the guys behind it really put some thought into new rules/approachs to running a game.

The background, no matter how good, wont replace v1.0. But for new (ie under 25 years of age) players a new background that sits better with their own real world history it might suit.

I havnet got the pdf yet. I am interested in doing so. I'm in no hurry (too much harpoon to read :-)

[Marc]

But for new (ie under 25 years of age) players a new background that sits better with their own real world history it might suit.

I totally agree with you about this point. I have forgotten all the new blood that may be wishing to explore the possibilities of a new Twilight setup. Mmmmm.. perhaps I'm getting older

[Snake Eyes]

yea this production is amature at its best too many points too cut it up with...

So is this comment targeted solely at the setting and timeline or do you have specific complaints about character generation, the combat rules or any other element of gameplay in the new system