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  • So apparently there's a shop where I used to live that makes semi auto conversions and semi auto reproductions of ww2 machine guns. and apparently he took the rp-46/dpm conversion and made it better.

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    • Forgotten Weapons covered the Steyr ACR today:

      https://youtu.be/X1W8iz8DyRw The US Army ACR (Advanced Combat Rifle) program was an effort to find a new type of infantry rifle which could increase the practical accuracy of the M16 by a whopping 100% in the early 1990s. Building on a legacy of similar programs like SALVO and SPIW, the basic idea being tried were
      A generous and sadistic GM,
      Brandon Cope

      http://copeab.tripod.com

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      • Originally posted by shrike6 View Post
        Interesting concept, a Hum-vee howitzer
        https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...-capabilities/
        There is REAL promise in the system. To reduce recoil, that 105mm operates under the concept of "constant recoil." The barrel is pushed forward just before firing so that it has farther to travel before it hits the recoil stop (and thus transmitting the recoil to the carriage). The barrel then arrests just short of maximum travel so it never contacts the stop. This lightens the "felt recoil" of the weapon. The reduction can be quite significant. The same system is used in the newest version of the AA12 Assault Shotgun as well.

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        • Excaliber

          This totally looks like something from the G.I. Joe toy line of the mid-1980s, and would make an interesting, if unconventional PC vehicle for T2K. I'm kind of surprised it didn't make the cut for the v1-2.2 U.S. Army Vehicle Guides.

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          • Somewhere I've got a folder with pictures of the 8x8 VADS system in...over at the AFV forums there was some discussion on it. The vehicle itself was abandoned (as in, dropped and no longer considered for procurement) and the lone example is sitting in someone's yard (minus the gun and supporting turret).
            THIS IS MY SIG, HERE IT IS.

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            • Originally posted by Raellus View Post
              This totally looks like something from the G.I. Joe toy line of the mid-1980s, and would make an interesting, if unconventional PC vehicle for T2K. I'm kind of surprised it didn't make the cut for the v1-2.2 U.S. Army Vehicle Guides.

              http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...out-of-g-i-joe
              You need to read more posted about that a few months back

              Last edited by shrike6; 05-25-2018, 08:05 PM.

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              • the Chimera

                Chimera was a British STT design study to develop a casemate AFV that could make use of the outdated Chieftain tanks then still in service.

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                • One vehicle that I don't think we've mentioned before is the Bobcat APC.
                  This was a 1950s Canadian design that, had the concept been pursued, might have seen the Canadians getting the leap on the UK and the US in APC design (and sales).

                  When I first learnt about it, none of the following sites even mentioned the Bobcat let alone had any information about it. I read about it in an obscure book on armoured vehicles (by a German author, translated into English).

                  Anyway, the Bobcat: -

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobcat...sonnel_carrier)
                  Greetings. I was referred to this site by Michael Dorosh, from the Army.ca site where I am a frequent fixture. I am interested in gathering info on th



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                  • Time to raise this thread from the dead for a weapon I learned about while doing WW1 research. Patented in 1901, the Thorneycroft was a bolt-action bullpup rifle, with the bolt retracting along the butt of the rifle and five rounds of rimmed .303 British being fed by a charger into a magazine that sloped into the semi-pistol grip, eliminating the chance for rimlock by having the rounds horizontally held on an inclined plane, meaning the rims were not overlapping. While shorter and lighter than the Lee-Enfield, it was rejected for poor ergonomics and excessive recoil, as well as concerns about accuracy.

                    v2 stats for Rifle of 1906:
                    Weight: 3.36 kg
                    Ammo: 5
                    ROF: BA
                    Damage: 4
                    Pen: 2-3-Nil
                    Bulk: 7
                    Recoil: 5
                    Range: 95 (would round to 100 per rules, I always provide raw numbers for people who don't follow the rounding rule)
                    Reload: 1

                    By my calculations, the SMLE is recoil 4 and range 104, so the complaints of the evaluation board match up with the game stats.
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                    • Ian did a video on the Thorneycroft last year

                      https://youtu.be/MF6f21kbi2g The Thorneycroft was the first military bullpup rifle, developed in the United Kingdom in response to combat experiences in the second Boer War showing the British infantry rifles to be overly long and cumbersome. Scotsman James Baird Thorneycroft figured he could address this by moving the action and magazine of a rifle behind the
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                      • Originally posted by copeab View Post
                        Ian did a video on the Thorneycroft last year

                        https://www.forgottenweapons.com/tho...volley-sights/
                        Yes, that video is in the article Vespers War linked to.
                        If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                        Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

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                        • Originally posted by StainlessSteelCynic View Post
                          One vehicle that I don't think we've mentioned before is the Bobcat APC.
                          Well actually, you mentioned it in pretty much your first post in this thread.
                          I think somebody likes the bobcat...
                          If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives.

                          Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect"

                          Mors ante pudorem

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                          • Originally posted by Legbreaker View Post
                            Well actually, you mentioned it in pretty much your first post in this thread.
                            I think somebody likes the bobcat...
                            Did I
                            Sheesh, I really have to get into the habit of re-reading the threads before I post a reply, as in 'read the entire thread' (or at least do a search).

                            Mine was the second post on this thread and I even included a pic. of the little beast!
                            And yes, I do like it a bit. I think the Canadians could have captured a large part of the market that the US M75, M59 and M113 vehicles dominated (although to be fair, the only other user besides the US for the M75 was Belgium so that partcular part of the market was never big).
                            Last edited by StainlessSteelCynic; 11-26-2018, 07:25 PM. Reason: spelling correction

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                            • Another one that I know Ian has done videos on in the past is the Volcanic pistol and carbine. In particular, the ones I have information for are the later ones produced by the New Haven Arms Company (the post-S&W one with B. Tyler Henry running the factory for Oliver Winchester). The firearms produced came in seven models, a pair of pistols firing Rocket Ball #1 (.31 caliber), and a pair of pistols and three carbines firing Rocket Ball #2 (.41 caliber).

                              The Rocket Ball was an early self-contained caseless cartridge, using a Burton ball with the cavity at the base filled with gunpowder and a percussion cap, sealed with a brass disc to keep out moisture. They were notably anemic due to the lack of space for powder. I don't have good information on the powder charges for these guns, but I calculated them at 4.5 grains of black powder for #1 and 8 grains for #2. I do have the prices for each of these late-1850s firearms and the ammunition. Weights are calculated per Fire, Fusion & Steel since technical data are somewhat hard to come by.

                              Pocket Pistol - Rocket Ball #1 (.31") - 0.64kg loaded weight, Ammo 6i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 1, Recoil 2, Lever-Action, Range 7. $12.00

                              Target Pistol - Rocket Ball #1 (.31") - 0.80 kg loaded weight, Ammo 10i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 1, Recoil 2, Lever-Action, Range 8. $13.50

                              Short Navy Pistol - Rocket Ball #2 (.41") - 0.91 kg loaded weight, Ammo 8i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 1, Recoil 2, Lever-Action, Range 11. $18.00

                              Navy Pistol - Rocket Ball #2 (.41") - 1.07 kg loaded weight, Ammo 10i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 1, Recoil 2, Lever-Action, Range 11. $18.00

                              Carbine (16" barrel) - Rocket Ball #2 (.41") - 3.01 kg loaded weight, Ammo 20i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 5, Recoil 1, Lever-Action, Range 35. $30.00

                              Carbine (20" barrel) - Rocket Ball #2 (.41") - 3.33 kg loaded weight, Ammo 25i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 6, Recoil 1, Lever-Action, Range 35. $35.00

                              Carbine (24" barrel) - Rocket Ball #2 (.41") - 3.66 kg loaded weight, Ammo 30i. Dam 1, Pen Nil, Bulk 7, Recoil 1, Lever-Action, Range 35. $40.00

                              Rocket Ball #1 - $10 per 1,000 rounds, 130 rounds per pound.
                              Rocket Ball #2 - $12 per 1,000 rounds, 66 rounds per pound.


                              Edit: on further thought, I'm not sure this is the best of anything, but it's a fascinating predecessor to the Henry and Winchester rifles.
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                              The Vespers War - Ninety years before the Twilight War, there was the Vespers War.

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                              • https://youtu.be/vCNw9Z2Q3T0 ok folks the whole damn thing. The entire stoner system

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