Improvised Armor in T2K

[Raellus]

I hesitated to post this topic due to some of the recent silliness in a related thread, but I decided to appeal to your better natures by doing so. What follows is a link to an interesting piece about what a few skillful, determined individuals can do with limited resources.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-tour-of-ukraines-mad-max-tank-factory

I reckon one would see a lot of this sort of thing in the T2KU.

This would be a good place to post pics of example of improvised or heavily-modded armor from around the world.

[Legbreaker]

Years ago a group I was playing with added about ten layers of corrugated roofing iron to a light truck. Was more psychological than actual armour, but anything's better than nothing right

[ArmySGT.]

That is a former tank factory (one that would have been nuked in any timeline) so the scale of the equipment is equal to the task. Note 100 ton crane in the first picture.

The first thing that makes this work is that it has the permission (backing) of the government.

Slightly more than a hillbilly armor thread.

[Targan]

So does that mean Azov has a license for Azovette and her fellow Mad Max tanks

"No, this is a tractor. For paperwork purposes it's a tractor," Zvarych says with mock innocence, "We put metal on our own tractor. Why would we need a license for this"

I LOL'd. Reminds me of my great-grandfather's tank.

[Raellus]

Slightly more than a hillbilly armor thread.

A fair point. I can change the title of the thread, if you like.

[ArmySGT.]

A fair point. I can change the title of the thread, if you like.

I don't know what title you could use.

Customized armor Additional and certainly unauthorized armor Trade off and one off, the armor edition

I, for one am curious how Azovette is going to get around....... 1.5 meters of armor .... What is the new tonnage and can any Ukrainian roads or bridges support it

What they really need to do is consolidate working equipment and bring in machinists / electricians to get the non working equipment going too. Ukraine if it was smart would invest in them with the stipulation that they produce agricultural equipment too.

[pmulcahy11b]

Years ago a group I was playing with added about ten layers of corrugated roofing iron to a light truck. Was more psychological than actual armour, but anything's better than nothing right

Somewhere in a forgotten corner of my site is a handy-dandy chart that would tell you the armor value of that corrugated iron.

[Legbreaker]

I, for one am curious how Azovette is going to get around....... 1.5 meters of armor .... What is the new tonnage and can any Ukrainian roads or bridges support it

I believe that's the total thickness of the spaced armour - 7 layers on the front, 3 elsewhere.
Therefore the weight should be "relatively" low.

Somewhere in a forgotten corner of my site is a handy-dandy chart that would tell you the armor value of that corrugated iron.

I think it worked out as 10 points in V1.0 and 1 point in 2.x

[Olefin]

If you want to see improvised armor have you seen what Mexican druglords are doing in Mexico now as to making improvised "narco" tanks Definitely something that someone could come up with in T2KU.

FYI as to corrugated iron - has anyone seen the Top Gear episode where they add corrugated sheets on top of a SUV to protect James when he approached an active volcano from overhead debris The principle would be the same to protect someone in an improvised armored vehicle.

[mpipes]

While we are on the subject....anyone know what the armor stats would work out for a standard bank/payroll armor car

[pmulcahy11b]

While we are on the subject....anyone know what the armor stats would work out for a standard bank/payroll armor car

Just a WAG -- HF3 HS2 HR2

[ArmySGT.]

While we are on the subject....anyone know what the armor stats would work out for a standard bank/payroll armor car

To the best of my knowledge these are normally only good against pistol cartridges.

Larger more lucrative companies could have armored a part of the fleet, specifically those in large bank and asset transfers up to 7.62N AP.

[Olefin]

Interesting link here - http://www.armored-trucks.com/ballistics.php

company that builds armored trucks showing their ballistics protection ranging from level 1 (9mm semi-automatic hand gun) all the way up to level VII (5.56mm rifle, full metal jacket) - FYI 7.62 NATO cartridge is their level V

per their site - "This material is manufactured from start to finish to meet MIL-A-46100D and MIL-A-46177B Armor Plate as per the rigorous U.S. Military's Armor Specifications"

Paul - considering that bank armored cars are used in two canon modules - "A River Runs Thru It" and "Urban Guerrilla" - have you thought about adding an armored bank car section to your site - or is it there and I missed it

here is another link - http://www.texasarmoring.com/armoring_levels.html - actually shows the weapons that the level of armor protection is made to defeat

[swaghauler]

To the best of my knowledge these are normally only good against pistol cartridges.

Larger more lucrative companies could have armored a part of the fleet, specifically those in large bank and asset transfers up to 7.62N AP.

We had armored cars from LENCO which came out of Canada as well as TEXAS ARMORING. The LENCO cars (both Ford E350 diesel vans) were rated at Level 5. This was supposed to stop multiple 30-06 armor piercing rounds. This is a "structural armored rating" that is a continuation of the NIJ ratings (which include level 1, level 2A, level 2, level 3A, level 3 and level 4. For more info, go to the National Institute of Justice's website).
The TEXAS ARMORING vehicles varied in size but were standardized at NIJ Level 3 armoring standards.
LOOMIS and BRINKS both seem to have standardized on NIJ level 3 standards as well. This is why the armored car that was used to rescue stranded officers in the "44 Minute Hollywood Shootout" was able to "shrug off" 7.62mm X 39mm rounds from the two perps.

During my work with the drug taskforce; we were able to procure NIJ level 3A soft panels that fit inside the doors of a number of "civilian" vehicles (cut to fit along the inside door panel and just bolt in). These included Ford, Chevy, Dodge and several other models. As I type this, I have NIJ Level 3A panels in the doors of my 2011 Ford Fusion as the price of just $1200 per panel. Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean there isn't someone out there who wants to kill me....

[ArmySGT.]

As I type this, I have NIJ Level 3A panels in the doors of my 2011 Ford Fusion as the price of just $1200 per panel. Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean there isn't someone out there who wants to kill me....

When I get my industrial sewing machine, for making my own tents and other gear, one of the things I wanted to look into is the rolls of Kevlar. Comes in large rolls like other cloth. I haven't seriously looked for sources or costs yet.