Improvised Armor in T2K

[ArmySGT.]

Interesting link here - http://www.armored-trucks.com/ballistics.php

company that builds armored trucks showing their ballistics protection ranging from level 1 (9mm semi-automatic hand gun) all the way up to level VII (5.56mm rifle, full metal jacket) - FYI 7.62 NATO cartridge is their level V

per their site - "This material is manufactured from start to finish to meet MIL-A-46100D and MIL-A-46177B Armor Plate as per the rigorous U.S. Military's Armor Specifications"

Paul - considering that bank armored cars are used in two canon modules - "A River Runs Thru It" and "Urban Guerrilla" - have you thought about adding an armored bank car section to your site - or is it there and I missed it

here is another link - http://www.texasarmoring.com/armoring_levels.html - actually shows the weapons that the level of armor protection is made to defeat

Those charts all mention bullets with a lead core until the highest rating.

Since M855 5.56mm has a tungsten core and there is steel core 7.62Bloc on the market, this throws into question this schema.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Out of curiosity, where can you find the "A River Runs Thru It" module
I can't recall seeing it anywhere and I can't find a reference for it anywhere so naturally I'm as curious as hell to read it!

[Legbreaker]

Never heard of it myself, and I've got at least two copies of everything.

[ArmySGT.]

Since this is a former tank factory...... What would it take to get the kilns and smelters online It can do something that any garage cannot......Make actual armor and laminate armor at that from scratch.

[Legbreaker]

I think fuel would be the big issue. The equipment could probably be resurrected given enough time, but smelting steel requires a hell of a lot of coking coal.
Given the current state of the Ukraine, I don't see how that hurdle can be overcome by such a relatively small group.

http://defence.pk/threads/ukraine-controls-only-35-out-of-95-mines-in-donbas.371778/

[Targan]

Years ago a group I was playing with added about ten layers of corrugated roofing iron to a light truck. Was more psychological than actual armour, but anything's better than nothing right

I LOL'd. Reminds me of my great-grandfather's tank.

FYI as to corrugated iron - has anyone seen the Top Gear episode where they add corrugated sheets on top of a SUV to protect James when he approached an active volcano from overhead debris The principle would be the same to protect someone in an improvised armored vehicle.

I've posted this before, my great-grandfather's "tank": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Semple_tank



My father's father's father, "Fighting Bob" Semple, was New Zealand's Minister of Public Works during WWII. The rest of the Empire couldn't spare New Zealand any armour, so great-granddad sat down with the heads of the Department of Works and designed and had built a "tank" based on a tractor chassis.

[Olefin]

Whoops got the wrong title in my head (actually thats the name of a movie I love ) - I meant to say A Rock In Troubled Waters from Challenge Magazine number 42 and it details much of New Jersey in 2001 including some of the MilGov and NJ state forces in the area including how they were using bank armored cars as armored transports much as New America was doing so in Urban Guerilla.

Sorry about getting that confused

Oh and the section I was referring to is the following:

2nd Cavalry Squadron, NJSM:
Fifty troopers carried by 10 armored bank trucks.These vehicles have an armor value of 8, and all have other characteristics of a two and a half ton truck. Each car has a radio and an M79, in addition to the passengers' small arms. They are responsible for road patrol in and around Cape May, north of the canal.

[Legbreaker]

1st ed stats obviously which equate to barely 1 point in 2.x. No idea about T:2013 - anyone

[Olefin]

Like I said love to see Paul put some stats up on armored bank cars and the like for use. It does seem that they could be encountered by characters especially if they are playing in the US and Canada as either potential enemy vehicles or ones they can put into action themselves

Whats interesting is that Urban Guerrilla has three different kinds of armored cars mentioned but doesn't flesh them out as to what kind of armor value they have - meaning they left it up to the GM to come up with something if the characters encountered them.

The Peacekeeper vehicle was basically an armored truck - maybe that's the best way to look at bank armored cars

[WallShadow]

In Urban Guerrilla, the New American forces had modified bank trucks as armored vehicles

[Legbreaker]

Urban Guerilla is supposed to be a scouting mission only - specifically states that going toe to toe is very likely to end with very dead PCs. Therefore, not much need for the stats in an already crowded book.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Interestingly enough, many, many years ago (like some time in the very late 1990s kinda many years ago...) I tried to find armour values for bank cars and so on and I actually found it easier to get valid info on military armoured vehicles.
Seem they were a bit paranoid back then about criminals getting the specs (fair enough point) for cash transit vehicles and the like.

As for A Rock In Troubled Waters, yeah it's a good piece but I believe that, because it's a fan submission, it's considered as support material but isn't canon per se.

[Legbreaker]

As for A Rock In Troubled Waters, yeah it's a good piece but I believe that, because it's a fan submission, it's considered as support material but isn't canon per se.

Agreed. Adds flavour and can be of assistance, but canon it ain't.

[Olefin]

Guys A Rock In Troubled Waters is canon not a fan submission - if its in Challenge Magazine its canon as far as I know - lots of what became the 2nd edition are also in Challenge Magazine

And Adam Giebel wrote seven pieces for Challenge Magazine - and that was hardly a fan submission magazine - it was official GDW material for a bunch of their products

so canon it is unless what you are saying is that every article in Challenge Magazine wasnt canon

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Guys A Rock In Troubled Waters is canon not a fan submission - if its in Challenge Magazine its canon as far as I know - lots of what became the 2nd edition are also in Challenge Magazine

And Adam Giebel wrote seven pieces for Challenge Magazine - and that was hardly a fan submission magazine - it was official GDW material for a bunch of their products

so canon it is unless what you are saying is that every article in Challenge Magazine wasnt canon

Challenge most definitely was a fan submission magazine, just like White Dwarf, Dragon, Dungeon, Pyramid and others.
That part in small print, right from the very first issue, that says "We welcome articles and illustrations for Challenge. Please inquire before submitting manuscripts..." makes it very clear that it was just as much a fan submission mag as it was for official material. It's probable that half the articles in Challenge were written by fans and not by GDW staff.
Unless it was actually written by one of the staff of GDW or it was a paid submission for a GDW game, then it is not canon.