US Air Force Locations

[Legbreaker]

So we lose roughly 60% the first time around, and by 2000 another 75% of those survivors.

In some areas yes. In other areas food is sufficient, if barely. Eventually the population will have shifted and the climate recovered enough to support the survivors. The challenge facing the various authorities is to ensure the maximum amount of people survive.

Yes, it's bleak, but there's certainly worse places on the planet, and at least it wasn't a MAD situation, or anything as bad as depicted in the films of the 70's and 80's such as "The Day After", "Threads", or "Testament".

[kalos72]

That Saving Davis Monthon write up lists the 1st and the 14th in MILGOV control, possibly in Colorado.

Do they make Air Force ORBATS that include nor "flight" units Ill have to check the published 1996 ORBAT again...

[WallShadow]

The main problem the US has is water. If water could be supplied by rainfall or irrigation, many problems would be almost immediately solved (or at least when the harvest came in).
Yes there are other factors, but water really is the big one as illustrated in Kidnapped.
Howling Wilderness also reiterates this point in the description of the Great Lakes region - rainfall has fallen about half normal, but they're still able to grow significant amounts of food.
With the drastically reduced population (roughly half pre-war), total food production would be sufficient to feed the country, if only they could get it to rain! The first group that solves the water problem (or is lucky enough to occupy an area that receives decent and sustained rainfall) is going to have a huge advantage over the coming years. This is one of the reasons the information on the tapes in Satellite Down is so valuable.

If one cannot make it rain, one must manufacture potable/irrigation water--from seawater. Desalination on a widespread, low-level basis could turn the tide (no pun intended) in getting water to crops, at least in the vicinity of tidal areas. New Jersey, whose sandy soils have historically been bountifully productive, would naturally benefit from multiple small and widely distributed desalination plants along its relatively close coast. With Ft. Dix in the north and Cape May Coast Guard base in the south, there are plenty of security personnel who would in turn be supplied by the crops and facilities they guard. And to tie it together, the Cold Fusion McGuffin would be the perfect small power source to drive the pumps for processing and distribution of useable water.

Slightly off-topic Note: the "Rock In Troubled Waters" article about South Jersey accurately relates the large correctional facilities in the southern part of the state: South Woods correctional facility meat and produce processing facility in South Bridgeton and the Bayside facility in Leesburg on rt 47. really exist. Considering the hostility of the world environment outside the walls, my guess would be that many prisoners would welcome a "work-release" points-toward-parole arrangement in exchange for raising and processing agricultural products, which would also be their sustenance. And the flip side would be that transgressions would be dealt with severely. Behave and work, and you get to eat, have protection, and earn your pardon. Otherwise....

[Legbreaker]

Slightly off-topic Note: the "Rock In Troubled Waters" article about South Jersey accurately relates the large correctional facilities in the southern part of the state: South Woods correctional facility meat and produce processing facility in South Bridgeton and the Bayside facility in Leesburg on rt 47. really exist. Considering the hostility of the world environment outside the walls, my guess would be that many prisoners would welcome a "work-release" points-toward-parole arrangement in exchange for raising and processing agricultural products, which would also be their sustenance. And the flip side would be that transgressions would be dealt with severely. Behave and work, and you get to eat, have protection, and earn your pardon. Otherwise....

A number would have also found themselves in the military as indicated by the 2.x character generation rules. Could be a few "dirty dozen" type units formed up...briefly.

[WallShadow]

A number would have also found themselves in the military as indicated by the 2.x character generation rules. Could be a few "dirty dozen" type units formed up...briefly.

Even so: The Pisecki Commando, comprised of former law enforcement officers and Philadelphia Chinese street gang members, again, as mentioned in "A Rock in Troubled Waters".

And Northern/Central Jersey has two Youth Correctional farms and a couple of adult agribusiness correctional farms for the Ft. Dix enclave to manage.

Oh, yeah, another light went on in my head re: cheap available fusion power (pun intended this time 'round)--if there is an overproduction of water, it can be stored for the darker months and the growing season extended (in limited form, year-round) by sharing or shifting the power to providing light to green houses. And Wheaton Glass in Millville, NJ might be able to provide materials for that and other essential and useful products. Just keeps getting better and better.

[kalos72]

I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort

Desalination is definitely a good option but would only really be a life saver if you follow the HW line. I also like the cold fusion link, like that SLOWPOKE reactor tied to a desalination plant. Perfect for the reactors small size/output.

[pmulcahy11b]

I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort

Sort of like a "thingamabob in US slang.

[kato13]

In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or maguffin) is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other motivator that the protagonist pursues, often with little or no narrative explanation. The specific nature of a MacGuffin is typically unimportant to the overall plot. The most common type of MacGuffin is an object, place, or person; other, more abstract types include money, victory, glory, survival, power, love, or some unexplained driving force.

MacGuffin

Examples would include the Maltese Falcon and the Case from Pulp Fiction.

[ArmySGT.]

I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort

Important reference for anyone interested in writing fiction for fun or profit.

TROPES

[kalos72]

That Saving Davis Monthon write up lists the 1st and the 14th in MILGOV control, possibly in Colorado.

Do they make Air Force ORBATS that include nor "flight" units Ill have to check the published 1996 ORBAT again...

And the article Pacific Fleet has the 3rd Wing in Alaska and the 15th Wing in Hawaii. Two more down...

Now I need a list of the ones active at the time and start to walk back the list.

[WallShadow]

I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort

Desalination is definitely a good option but would only really be a life saver if you follow the HW line. I also like the cold fusion link, like that SLOWPOKE reactor tied to a desalination plant. Perfect for the reactors small size/output.

A "mcGuffin" is an object that is the goal of a plot, wherein it is being sought, fought over, destroyed, or whatever. IIRC the term was originated by Alfred Hitchcock to describe such a plot device. One "Remington Steele" episode had a McGuffin that was the recipe for a fat-free, calorie-free, absolutely delicious chocolate chip cookie. People were being killed for getting in the way of baddies obtaining it.

And the SLOWPOKE reactor (or even a cheap Radionucleide Thermal Reactor like the kind that is currently on a space probe wending its way out of the solar system) would be even better, since it really does exist and can apparently be constructed relatively simply.

[Olefin]

Is there a book you actually agree with Seems like everything had holes in it according to you. Meanwhile many of us are happy to work with what we've got and make it work rather than continually attempt to pull it down.

Barely functional and nothing like what remains elsewhere. Poland really has been bombed back to the middle ages and it's feudal/despotism systems.

100,000 / 3,000,000 = 0.033333 remaining. Close enough to 97% casualties.

Actually a lot people have issues with the East European Sourcebook - as has been said by many people here the orders of battle listed for the various countries have all kinds of errors in them

And Silesia was nuked to hell and back invaded and fought over multiple times, etc.. - most of the US didn't have that happen - I don't see any issue with big depopulation occurring where you have multiple armies fighting over the areas for four years and add in a couple of dozen plus nukes in the same area over that time - that description (with a few very limited areas - i.e. LA and some areas in Texas) doesn't apply to the US

[Legbreaker]

Actually a lot people have issues with the East European Sourcebook - as has been said by many people here the orders of battle listed for the various countries have all kinds of errors in them.

Really Who
There are 780 members of this forum. Which ones have a problem with the books
Perhaps we should take a poll

[kalos72]

Why Leg

As usual, you play the game your way and others will theirs. I will assume by your response that you agree with everything written and have no issues with anything GDW has written. Noted.

I for one, do.

[Olefin]

Really Who
There are 780 members of this forum. Which ones have a problem with the books
Perhaps we should take a poll

Oh I don't know Leg - how about his whole thread - http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.p...ean+sourcebook

which had various people on the board discussing the issues they had with how the 8th ended up in Latvia and the fact that the Turkish and Greek armies have Russian tanks in it instead of the actual tanks they was equipped with in real life or the tanks that it was equipped with in both NATO books that described the Turkish Army for example - both forces should be equipped with older NATO tanks as both of them were in NATO in 1996 and Turkey still is