Announcement from Free League Publishing

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I was more thinking of T:2013.

Ah! When you said "earlier editions" I took that to mean 1st & 2nd editions.

[Olefin]

Based on the responses I have received from Tomas I am very concerned that they arent prepared for what is needed for a successful launch of V4. Seems to be that there are too few resources dedicated to the game beyond the initial launch - and saying that new sourcebooks would be 1-2 years or more in the future smacks of a game that is not supported well

Given what is going on now and the fact that every stretch goal has been met to where they need more and more he should be immediately staffing up or switching writers over and getting to work on follow ups.

Notice that there is no date on the updated Black Madonna If they want this to work it need to be out within a couple of months at most of the initial release - i.e. because campaigns using the new system arent going to just wait around for new material. Or they may already be out of the area in the campaign and its a "too little, too late" kind of thing

And turning down offers from me, Raellus and Leg (or saying that at best they would be fan canon) just smells of improper support. Especially since Raellus and Leg have stuff written that could be turned into V4 very quickly

[Olefin]

And now we get the more expanded story we have wanted

STRETCHGOAL 25: HOMELAND HACK UNLOCKED!
If we reach this goal, we will expand the World at War chapter in the Players Manual with texts describing major regions beyond the core settings Poland and Sweden. These texts will cover the US, the UK, and Germany, and an overview of the rest of the world. The texts will be accompanied with include guidelines for placing a Twilight: 2000 campaign in these areas.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

It's interesting to see that the Homeland Hack was included as pretty much a last minute stretch goal and yet they had earlier stated something along the lines of "the game will allow you to start your campaign anywhere in the world".
So... from the look of that, you would not have been able to start anywhere in the world (except Poland or Sweden) but now that a stretch goal has been unlocked (and the hardest to reach stretch goal at that), those rules might actually be included in the game

Or am I missing something

[wolffhound79]

maybe its an expansion on information for the world

[Legbreaker]

Chris Lites officially stated on facebook about sixteen hours ago Poland is NOT part of the Warsaw Pact in 4th ed.

Thoughts

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Chris Lites officially stated on facebook about sixteen hours ago Poland is NOT part of the Warsaw Pact in 4th ed.

Thoughts

You fucking what
So if Poland isn't allied with the Soviets, then there's only three possibilities I can think of: -
1. neutral like Switzerland (I really can't see that happening with the hardliners in the Polish communist party)
2. goes it alone against all comers (certain death for sure and thus highly unlikely)
3. allied with NATO (even less likely than neutrality considering the hardliners in the Polish communist party)

For the alleged 1980s-1990s time period Free League has claimed for the game, none of those 3 make any logical sense.

As multiple people have said throughout the Star Wars movies...
"I have a bad feeling about this".

[Lurken]

For the alleged 1980s-1990s time period Free League has claimed for the game, none of those 3 make any logical sense.

Though they have said that the main game will be during year 2000. So not in the 80s-90s.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Though they have said that the main game will be during year 2000. So not in the 80s-90s.

You misunderstand me - the game begins in 2000 so to set that up, they supposedly follow the real world through the Cold War period up to the 1990s when there is a point of departure from the real world.
The Twilight War starts around the mid-1990s and is all but over by the year 2000. Hence, this is where PC campaigns begin, after the destruction of society as we know it.
But there has to be a lead up to that destruction, a path that was followed to bring upon the apocalypse of a third world war. A history that took place to allow the end of society and to create a broken world for the PCs to try and fix, starting in the year 2000.

Everything they have told us so far follows that idea.
Free League inferred that they would be following something similar to the 2.2 background (with some changes to allow Sweden to be a PC location as well).
If they want Poland to not be part of the Warsaw Pact, there would have to be logical reasons for Poland to leave the Pact but it would also require a realistic amount of time for Poland to leave the Pact.
It's an event of such huge significance that it would massively affect Europe.

Now unless they want the world background to look as though it was written by a bunch of eight year old boys who think war movies are "cool", Free League need to provide a believable world background. If they don't, then word of mouth alone will pass on the message that 4th edition is garbage and it will be forgotten like 2013 was.
The only halfway reasonable excuse for having Poland not be a part of the Warsaw Pact is if they decided to disconnect themselves from Eastern Europe, the Eastern European economy and the Soviet Union and then that directly leads into the war.

[Ewan]

If the Warsaw Pact ended in February 1991 and the coup in the Russia/Soviet Union was in August 1991 then why would Poland be part of the Warsaw Pact.

https://www.nato.int/cps/us/natohq/declassified_138294.htm

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Because the premise of Twilight: 2000 is that the Warsaw Pact did not end.
In the real world, the Cold War ended, in the T2k world it did not.

[sellanraa]

Can anyone who is on FB expand on the context of this statement Was it just totally out of the blue that he mentioned it

Definitely seems like an unnecessary change that radically changes the storyline and I guess I wonder what their justification might be.

Anxiety...growing...

[Legbreaker]

The question was asked if Poland was still part of the Pact in 4th ed. Chris' simple answer was "no".

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[sellanraa]

That's really weird. I wouldn't even think to ask that question because it's just sort of a given that the global political scenario would remain unchanged. I wonder how people will react to that news.